Grandparents are glued to their phones [video] (bbc.com)

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[−] reactordev 62d ago
Social media is a cancer and more people need to realize this. No amount of platforming will fix this. It’s designed to extract behavioral traits about you. It’s designed to spy on your shopping and browsing habits. It’s designed to build a model of you. Everyone fell right in.
[−] visarga 62d ago

> No amount of platforming will fix this.

The problem with social media is precisely the platform, it ranks what keeps people addicted, seeing more ads. Creators conform to the Algorithm and produce slop to capture some of that scarce attention. Nobody cares about users. Same shit happens on Google Search, YouTube, Amazon Search, Google Store, App Store... all platforms produce shitty feeds and search results. And before them we had TV and newspapers as slop making platforms.

[−] reactordev 62d ago
Ahh yes, the “It’s always been this way” argument. I was wondering if it was going to show its ugly head.

The difference now is ANYONE can become a TV station. A newspaper. A radio talk show. While I’m all for allowing anyone to do anything, I’m also a fan of curation and quality over quantity. Social media has no value. Because it values nothing.

[−] thin_carapace 62d ago
i dont see whats cancerous about social media conceptually. sharing photos online with a local network of contacts, setting up digital event flyers, instant messaging, etc ... yes these tools were used for subjectively nefarious purposes like cyberbullying, but on the whole they probably added more benefit than was subtracted from the community.

social media that has been gamified into an infinite scroll loop with the express intent to destroy attention spans and rebuild them around an advertising/behavioural structure of mark zuckerberg's ("they trust me ... dumb fucks") choosing? now yes that is cancer. but thats not really social media. theres nothing social about it.

i like the way someone put it here a few weeks back. we used to call these things social networks. then they became social media. so in that sense i do agree with you on a literal basis, although im not sure that was your intended point.

[−] reactordev 62d ago
I said social media. You described Social networks. I agree social networks are good. Social media is a fucking cancer.
[−] Ritewut 62d ago
I've been saying this for a while. For all the talk about kids, seniors are the ones addicted to phones. Doomscrolling on Tiktok, Facebook, even locked into mobile games. Its very depressing.
[−] al_borland 62d ago
I also see it as an issue because kids model what they see. A parent telling their kids not to be on a phone kind of falls flat when every adult in their life is glued to their phones.

When I go to family gatherings I make it a point to keep my phone in my pocket and not scroll. I don’t want the kids to see that as an example of how to act when getting together with family. Meanwhile, my mom (their grandmother), is glued to Facebook the whole time.

Beyond the bad example, it makes her frustrating to interact with. She’ll mention a news story that came up in her feed. Occasionally it’s one I’m familiar with and I engage, thinking we’re about to have a conversation about this topic… but no. As I’m replying, she mentions the next thing in her feed, she’s already moved on.

Ironically, my dad is probably the most connected person in the family, yet doesn’t do any of that stuff when getting together with family. There are all sorts of loud notifications going off, because he never has anything on silent, but he glances at his watch and carries on with the conversation. But to a point in the video, he maintains a lot of in-person connections and has a really rich social life in his 70s, which I think is rare. So he isn’t looking to fill holes in his life with doomscrolling.

[−] epolanski 62d ago
+1, I see so many 50 to 70 year old folks using the phone way more than Gen Zs.
[−] urbandw311er 62d ago
Yes, this! We spent so long (and rightfully) worrying about what it was doing to our kids, we forgot that there was a whole other generation equally unprepared for this.
[−] xnx 62d ago
I really wish iPhone/Android had better parental controls so I could monitor my dad's screen time and the type of content he was allowed to see on YouTube.
[−] Cpoll 62d ago
The recontextualisation of "parental" is very amusing.
[−] tromp 62d ago
As nicely illustrated in this Young Sheldon episode fragment: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nd90rFPYVnc
[−] fhdkweig 62d ago
I would have gone with South Park's murder porn episode in which the kids accidentally got the parents interested in Minecraft.
[−] 1718627440 61d ago
Are you aware that every YT Short can also be viewed with the normal player? If you do, do you prefer the Shorts interface and thus posted that URL rather then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd90rFPYVnc ?
[−] ishtanbul 62d ago
I see a lot of elderly people watching AI content on youtube shorts, one after another. The monotonic voice is a dead giveaway. Their feeds have optimized around it because they cannot tell the difference. Its sad.
[−] al_borland 61d ago
My mom was telling me about how Eminem did a song with some Christian singer she likes. That didn’t pass the smell test for me, I’m sure I would’ve heard about that, but didn’t contest it in the moment.

A couple days later she sent me the video. It was obviously AI, but even said in the video description (if expanded) that it was AI.

I keep thinking if I tell her enough stuff is AI she’ll start to get more skeptical about this stuff or be turned off the platform feeding her all of it, but it doesn’t seem like it.

[−] SoftTalker 62d ago
Before smartphones they sat at home and watched game shows and TV evangelists, and listened to Rush on the radio. Which is worse?
[−] Nux 62d ago
Smartphones.
[−] paulryanrogers 62d ago
Rush on the radio was poison for my impressionable brain. Thankfully the Internet came along and exposed me to outside perspectives.
[−] kevin061 62d ago
Before smartphones and TikTok it was casino TV at 3AM, TV infomercial shopping, and the like.
[−] hsuduebc2 62d ago
I must admit. My parents we're right the whole time. Staring at the screen for a whole day is truly unhealthy and they should go to play outside instead.

This whole thing is beyond ironic.

[−] cal_dent 62d ago
Wider society spends an awful long time talking about the effects of social media on young people. I personally think that is somewhat blinkered because its an everybody issue. What do old people and kids have in common, lots and lots of free time. That's it. Same with unemployed, under employed people, people with no real interest or hobbies.

If there's a hole you need to fit and you do nothing with it, social media is the easy way out, and given that it does have addictive tendencies, we end up where we are.

[−] d41dev 62d ago
This is something ive started to notice, the older generation becoming victims to doomscrolling, my dad being one of them. What makes it worst is that unlike kids who group in the social media world, and therefore have some ability of discerning between whats real and fake, the older gen are so gullible when it comes to fake news, propaganda, and ai generated content.

Not only that but they then go on to spread this false news among there whatsapp friends

[−] pcblues 62d ago
"But is this shift actually worth worrying about? Or are younger people just projecting their own anxieties about screen time onto their parents and grandparents?"

False dichotomies can either be the worst thing that happened to humankind or a pathway to a new way of understanding each other.

[−] HackerThemAll 62d ago
Old people are wonderful relays from paid trolls and propaganda to their peers, unwittingly spreading and amplifying lies and political agenda in social media. They're often retired, having entire days at their disposal, wasting them on forwarding sh*t back and forth.
[−] soopypoos 62d ago
it keeps them off the road