MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security (thenerve.news)

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[−] sschueller 61d ago
Palantir is dragging a small independent Swiss investigative newspaper to court because they reported[1] about Palantir getting the door slammed in their face in by several Swiss government agencies including the military over the last years. No one wants this turd of a company.

[1] https://www.republik.ch/2026/02/18/how-tenaciously-palantir-...

[−] GorbachevyChase 61d ago
The company I worked for has a contract with them. My best guess as to why is that shareholders use their power over management to force publicly traded companies to funnel money into the pockets of their mafia friends. I can’t explain what actual business value the platform provides.
[−] stingraycharles 60d ago
I do know that they’re on pretty much all large organizations’ shortlist when they need any type of data intelligence, all of them note even remotely related to the type of intelligence the government has/needs.

And that they’re outrageously expensive as well but somehow still land a lot of these deals.

[−] gjm11 61d ago
I think there may be a bit less to that one than meets the eye. In Swiss law there's some kind of right-of-reply thing where if someone puts something about you in print and you think it's wrong you may be entitled to have some sort of response printed. And AIUI the way this works is that you go before a court and say "we want our response printed, please", and that's what Palantir's done in this case.

(Note 1: For all I know it may well be true that the reporting is 100% accurate and Palantir's claim to deserve a reply is 100% bullshit. I'm not saying they're in the right here! But I think the actual story is a bit less horrible than "Palantir is taking these guys to court because they didn't like their reporting" sounds without the relevant context. They're not, e.g., trying to get damages from the newspaper, or trying to get what they wrote retracted, or anything like that.)

(Note 2: I am not an expert on Swiss law or on this case, and I am accordingly not 100% confident of any of the above. In the unlikely event that whether I'm right about this matters to anyone reading, they should check it for themselves :-).)

[−] crimsoneer 60d ago
Indeed, assume this is the reply in question: https://blog.palantir.com/korrektur-wie-das-online-magazin-d...
[−] sschueller 60d ago
The goal of Palantir is clear here. Bleed a small newspaper of its finances using bullshit claims.

Also important to note that a Palantir exec sits on the board of Ringier (aka Blick) one of the two large media conglomerates in Switzerland.

[−] Zigurd 60d ago
What would the founders of Palantir know about bankrupting small journalistic ventures?

Oh.

[−] throwaway27448 61d ago
Weak authoritarians who don't understand how to govern seem to adore palantir
[−] infinitewars 61d ago
Now with Golden Dome, Palantir is a global security threat not just a national one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_s...

[−] Alive-in-2025 60d ago
golden dome seems less useful by the day now that drones are the new unstoppable weapon of choice
[−] palmotea 60d ago

> golden dome seems less useful by the day now that drones are the new unstoppable weapon of choice

Your thinking is too black-and-white. The emergence of a new technology (drones) does not necessarily make previous technologies (ballistic missiles) obsolete or a non-threat.

What it means is the effective defensive system will need to be bigger and more capable.

And, IIRC, the ballistic missiles are still the more effective weapon in Ukraine and Iran. Long-range drones are easier to intercept cheaper interception technologies are catching up with them: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/10/what-are-the-ukrain....

[−] infinitewars 60d ago
Drones absolutely make Golden Dome obsolete if they can deliver a nuclear warhead and the purpose of Golden Dome is to win a nuclear war / be impervious to one.

Nuclear war is the justification given for violating all fiscal responsibility with this multi-million dollar taxpayer program.

[−] palmotea 60d ago

> Drones absolutely make Golden Dome obsolete if they can deliver a nuclear warhead and the purpose of Golden Dome is to win a nuclear war / be impervious to one.

No they don't, because you can still deliver a warhead with an ICBM. It just means you need the ABM system and and anti-drone system for it to be complete.

[−] infinitewars 60d ago
And then you need to stop the Poseidon nuclear delivery system, and the suitcase bombs, and the bio weapons.. do you see where this is going?

Absolute security is an illusion. Even Trump understands this, and why he later pivoted to calling Golden Dome an offensive global strike system. Because yes, that's what it is.

[−] palmotea 60d ago

> And then you need to stop the Poseidon nuclear delivery system, and the suitcase bombs, and the bio weapons.. do you see where this is going?

Yes, it sounds like you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good: don't build a defense unless it can defeat all threats, all of the time. Go tell that to Ukraine and see what they say.

But even granting what you say for a moment: a defensive system that defeats drones and ICBMs but doesn't defeat nuclear torpedoes is a massive improvement. Sure, it sucks if you live in a coastal city, but inland cities are protected (and the US has a lot of those).

Suitcase nukes and bio weapons are dumb: the former are weak and seem more like a plot device for a action/suspense show than a real threat (beyond random acts of terrorism), the latter seems like a nonstarter because it'd either not be very effective or guarantee blow-back (e.g. your bio-weapon becoming a pandemic that hits everyone).

[−] infinitewars 59d ago
I think you're missing the point that spending trillions for a boost phase intercept system (even if it worked) has a massive opportunity cost. A diamond door (or gold!) is a terrible investment if adversaries can bypass it through an open window. There is an opportunity cost, not just for balanced security, but also social and economic costs.

But boost intercept doesn't even meaningfully reduce ICBM threats.. adversaries simply build the bypasses that render the "shield" useless. Offense is always easier and cheaper than defense for this sort of system. ASATs, decoys, cyber, jamming are all low hanging fruit. Sending large synchronized volleys is an easy way to exploit GD's interceptor absentee problem (which is approx 1000x worse than a regional system like Iron Dome).

This all amplifies the false premise that the "shield" will work flawlessly, because if you're going to destabilize MAD you better get it right. The fact is interceptors are not even single 9's in the real world with countermeasures, and a Tesla FSD attempt v420.69 doesn't cut it for nuclear war. (Oh don't worry we'll push a patch and next time we won't lose Chicago!)

And like I said, everyone knows this isn't a defense system for those reasons and more. Golden Dome's satellite architecture is effectively an orbital weapons platform capable of offensive global strikes, which fundamentally destabilizes geopolitics. If you're an engineer working on that you better have your eyes wide open and be able to explain why you think this is a good thing.

For some history, the very first contract SpaceX ever got was for https://wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Falcon_Project a global strike weapons system.

[−] bigyabai 61d ago
Palantir has been integrated with global-scale ISR for several years, in the US.
[−] themafia 61d ago
Oracle 2.0.
[−] tablets 61d ago
Related meeting launching today about Palantir and the NHS - https://www.medact.org/event/briefing-launch-the-risks-of-pa...
[−] mentalgear 61d ago
Thiel - the dark data lord - tries to get his fingers in any data source imaginable.
[−] graemep 61d ago
The NHS is also heavily dependent on AWS.
[−] basisword 61d ago
We're not a serious country anymore. We build very little. We control very little. Three years ago the war in Ukraine broke out causing the energy price crisis and the short term solution was the government paying a portion of everyone's bills. Three years later we're in the same situation again thanks to the US and Israel's warmongering. Are we prepared? No. What's the solution? Freezing the price caps and paying a portion of peoples bills.
[−] IshKebab 61d ago
You say that as if a "serious" country would have a better solution. Which countries are "serious" in your view?
[−] happymellon 60d ago
In my opinion (not OP), a serious country would look at it's basic national security risks, and work to minimise them.

I'm not talking terrorism, far more basic than that.

Food, Energy, Transport Communications, Manufacturing.

Are you either able to be the provider of any of these if it really came down to it, or are you dependent on a single outside source?

Most countries will be unable to fulfill all of these, but they can mitigate by not being dependent on a single source, maybe working together in a union.

Russia has been an unreliable partner for energy for decades (if ever?), yet the UK yoked itself with them relying on their gas for energy instead of diversifying. We are doing it now but it has been far too late to mitigate the damage.

[−] roryirvine 60d ago
That's not really true. The UK has run an open economy for almost 200 years and has long had one of the most diverse sets of trading arrangements of any country in the world.

For domestic energy, it has never relied on Russia. Natural gas supplies are a roughly equal mix of domestic production, Norwegian pipeline imports, and LNG imports (primarily from the USA, but with no restriction on switching to other providers if needed). Yes, there was a spike in global LNG prices due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine but that was driven by other countries seeking to replace Russian imports.

The same goes for the other areas you mentioned - food, transport, communications, and manufacturing. All have vast diversity of supply, with robust supply chains. None of them are remotely close to being dependent on a single external source.

[−] basisword 59d ago
Clearly that’s not good enough. We’re still not out of the last cost of living crisis and we’re going into the next one. We should be more self-reliant. Diversity doesn’t work in such an interconnected global economy.
[−] roryirvine 58d ago
That may be true, but it turns out that autarky works even less well.
[−] Alan_Writer 60d ago
Threat to UK security??? lol

Is a threat to everyone on earth. Palantir is the real Skynet. They are developing everything they can to control and surveil the population at all levels. And the founder is evil, and he knows it.

US-Israeli cybersecurity-AI-related infrastructure is crazy but not good for the world.

[−] __MatrixMan__ 61d ago
Obviously, just look at what the Palantir stones did to Saruman and Denethor. They're a corrupting force, both in the middle-earth case and in the our-earth case.

Thiel has made no secret of his intent to use technology to dispense with that pesky democracy problem that billionaires have, and Palantir is pretty obviously his attempt to do just that. It's a reductio-ad-absurdum argument against listening to your citizens:

You put it in the hands of a populist demagogue, the power to apply hyper-targeted pain to their enemies amplifies their darker tendencies, and when evil happens you say: "look, the people can't be trusted." Meanwhile, you use it to direct the pointy end of the state's stick towards people you don't like (because the demagogue is too lazy to actually use those hyper-targeting features themself) so you can interfere with democratic attempts to limit your power without bothering to pay for the pepper spray.

Nobody in their right mind would want their government anywhere near it.

[−] Calavar 61d ago
I still don't understand why Theil and Karp decided to name their surveillance tech company after a device that is best known for being used by an evil dark lord to decieve and corrupt. It's like the Mitchell and Webb skit "are we the baddies" except they're the ones who designed the uniforms with skulls on them.
[−] thatguy0900 61d ago
Because it's funny and they genuinely don't care whether or not they're bad guys
[−] farisa_lives 61d ago
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[−] ZeroGravitas 60d ago
You could probably do a series of parody 007 trailers and insert clips of a different Palantir leadership team member saying insane shit in interviews as the Bond villain in each one.
[−] qweiopqweiop 61d ago
Can someone explain why Palantir are seen as such a threat? My understanding is their product is a PowerBI++ and they don't host any user data themselves. Are people scared of backdoors?
[−] mhlansx 61d ago
The history of Palantir:

Christine Maxwell and Alan Wade found Chiliad, a database surveillance application that was used in the FBI. Then Alan Wade became CIO at the CIA. Then In-Q-Tel (CIA) co-founded Palantir with Thiel.

Karp, who was at Haverford college with Epstein's neighbor Lutnick, became the philosophical ideologue for Palantir.

With these overt and easily verifiable connections it is beyond belief that any European state would even consider using Palantir. The governments do not even work any better with all that surveillance software, they work worse than 20 years ago. So even the "we need it" argument is a fallacy.

[−] einpoklum 61d ago
Note that "UK Security" and "safety of people in the UK" are very distinct things. But - exposure to whatever Palantir does is very likely bad for the second regardless of whether or not it's bad for the first.
[−] spot5010 61d ago
I feel like there’s a lesson to be learnt by reading Lord of the Rings and seeing what happens to Saruman and Denethor.
[−] iheartbiggpus 61d ago
Why do the worst companies have the best names.
[−] captainbland 61d ago
Honestly it's really weird that it was ever allowed to get this stage. Their leadership has been pretty "mask off" for a good while now.
[−] gebalamariusz 61d ago
I see the UK government hasn't been on a good run lately. Google recently released the Cloud Threat Horizons H1 2026 report. A vulnerability in the OIDC trust policy can be exploited to gain admin access to AWS. The UK Government Digital Service was one of the affected organizations. Datadog found their IAM role misconfigured the same way.
[−] padolsey 61d ago
Can anyone familiar with the technology help disillusion naive people like me as to why on earth palantir needs to exist? It feels like a big pile of nothing. But tbf that's how I feel about Salesforce and Jira too. Big fat database schemas with big fat CRUD atop and layers of snazzy sparklines to make PMs and clients feel nurtured and fuzzy that they've done something material.
[−] mosura 61d ago
The fact Alex Karp has any security clearance at all boggles the mind.
[−] catigula 61d ago
I gathered from this article that Palantir apparently has complete transparency into - a "profile" of - every UK citizen.

This is glossed over and not really mentioned as an issue...

[−] llm_nerd 61d ago
It is insanity that any country would give an iota of data, much less any sort of control, to an org like Palantir. Any government representative for countries outside of the US or Israel that recommends such a vile trojan horse needs to be outed as the traitorous plant that they are. Every element of their personal life needs to be scrutinized, because the only scenario where they would come to such a recommendation is corruption.

Quite aside from that fact that Palantir is basically an arm of the US government -- which has proven to be an enemy to the West and a thoroughly busted idiocracy -- just look at the sociopaths that lead that company. Alex Karp's public appearances are dystopian, and the guy comes across as a vile, self-involved crackhead that has no comprehension how reprehensible he is to 99% of the planet. Thiel is utterly deranged, and that goblin shouldn't come within a parsec of any influence or power.

[−] ifwinterco 60d ago
The "threat to UK security" is the whole reason palantir exists in the first place
[−] BarbaraBessolo 61d ago
Check Indiana Lawsuit from DynamoEdge against Palantir and Andretti
[−] hermitcrab 61d ago
It is a complete no-brainer that Thiel and his minions shouldn't be let anywhere near anything health or security related.