WFH is becoming a benefit again

by sharemywin 78 comments 62 points
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[−] clintmcmahon 58d ago
Been working remotely for a long time now and was beginning to feel that loneliness. So, I started going to a co-working space to be around people again. Two/three days a week I'm in the "office" with my new "coworkers". It's been great to get to socialize and talk to other tech folks who are working on interesting and different things.

But I also love that freedom of staying home whenever I want to. IMO, more offices should operate more like this.

[−] tmaly 58d ago
The high performers are usually the first to leave under tighter RTO conditions

https://www.business.pitt.edu/return-to-office-mandates-dont...

[−] game_the0ry 58d ago
I don't know about you guys, but RTTO was the biggest signal to me that corp america is lost and beyond recovery.

The benefits are so obvious, yet here we are.

[−] _fat_santa 58d ago
I've been working fully remote for like 5 years at this point and I have to say I do get an itch to go into the office.

My pipe dream for the future of work is it's remote by default with in-office being a decision that's made at a team level. Ideally there would be no hard requirement to come to the office X days per week, it would be a team coming together and saying "hey, how about we all go into the office on Tuesday to collaborate on this thing" (this assumes buy in from the entire team).

[−] zer00eyz 58d ago
I have been a consultant for well over a decade now: it's rare that I ever end up meeting clients in person. I have also seen just about every approach to "work from home".

Without an office, entire layers of communication get stripped out. The "ownership" of all those channels by your company only compounds the problem. You're not going to bitch about your boss, your PM, your project in the same way in slack as you might over lunch, with your co workers. Communication becomes burdened with layers of "nice". It is much easier to be brusk and professional in a request to someone you just spent the last hour eating with while you had a conversation about family, life, and what you did on the weekend.

Meanwhile there are entire layers of informal communication that can go on when teams intermingle. The cross pollination between accounting, customer service, design that can happen when you're in the same location simply wont occur when every one is on their own island.

I agree that ONE can be far more productive when stripping away the commute, and having the privacy that comes from NOT being in a crappy open floor plan. But it's a sub optimization problem: optimized parts don't always result in a better over all organism (organization).

Can it work: it sure can. Might it be optimal for you, maybe. But that doesn't mean it is applicable in every case.

[−] jaffee 58d ago
I was a big WFH proponent, but I found the thing that I hated the most was the commute. Actually being in the office is pretty nice (assuming you work w/ nice people, have good culture, good coffee, nice desk setups, etc).

I've made the switch to biking to work about half the time and it's freaking amazing. I turn 20-30 mins of absolute dead time where I'm spending money, polluting, and using up infrastructure into 50 minutes of getting healthier and having a blast. It's a great trade, especially if you were going to work out anyway... which you should, of course.

I'm effectively spending 25 extra minutes of my day to get a 50 minute workout and save some money, and not pollute, and not contribute to traffic problems, parking congestion, etc. etc.

It's not necessarily easy to make this happen, cycling safely is a whole other can of worms, you kind of need a shower at the office (or take it easier on an ebike), but the benefits are massive if you can do it.

[−] hnthrow0287345 58d ago
RTO would be much more popular if people were actually coming back to an individual office instead of the cubicle farm

Businesses and commercial real estate did this to themselves. I especially hope commercial real estate enters a death spiral and we stop building offices unless they are absolutely needed and free up some of the land for residential use (and not converting the buildings).

[−] mobilene 58d ago
I miss the energy of being in the office, but I do not miss the commuting. If I could commute in 15 minutes or so each way I'd strongly consider an in-office role. OTOH, the ease of the home office is very nice.
[−] pickle-wizard 58d ago
I was discussing this with a friend last night. If fuel prices get high enough I can see it happening.
[−] BirAdam 58d ago
I've never understood having an office when it isn't absolutely required. Why spend money on something you do not actually need?

If people can't make remote collaboration work, perhaps they should study how gaming groups achieve this.

[−] OptionOfT 58d ago
In Texas where BCBS is based, the city asked them to re-instate in-office policies, as all those people drive a large amount of tax income in the city.
[−] _8675309_ 57d ago
I personally think that Hybrid approach is best - My company has a good culture, in-person interaction gets things done quicker, more exposure, better camaraderie, etc. I see the common explanations for why post-covid RTO was pushed, which is probably a factor, but I don't really see people talking about the individuals who took advantage of WFH. 80:20 rule.
[−] dakiol 58d ago
It's not just about gas pricing, it's also about housing. E.g., why live in Paris, Madrid, Barcelona, Milan, if you can live in a cheaper (and way less populated) city? Going back to the office, even if it's 2 days/week completely defets decentralization of housing in most of Europe.
[−] monkeydust 58d ago
Keynes still has under 4 years to be proven right!

https://www.economicsnetwork.ac.uk/archive/keynes_persuasion...

[−] blakblakarak 58d ago
At least where I live (France but not Paris) all the decently paid jobs in my field all seem to be fully remote. I’d love to go back to partial RTTO but it’s simply not financially viable given the paycut and commute costs.
[−] fortranfiend 58d ago
I'm hybrid, but most weeks get called to site due to the nature of my job. Supposed to be 50/50 but often it's full in office. Air gapped networks that look like museum pieces are fun...
[−] kogasa240p 58d ago
I think we'll start to see the effects once oil reserves get low and gas prices truly skyrocket.
[−] netrap 58d ago
Do companies give a crap about employees spending money on gas? I mean maybe for those that are traveling salesmen or something... but otherwise I don't see how it would bring it back...
[−] theandrewbailey 58d ago
Those pushing return to office have drank so much of the Kool-Aid that compliance with policy is worth any cost. You must keep collaborating and allegedly being productive in person.
[−] KellyCriterion 58d ago
Honestly:

This WFH shit was the worst for me - Ive lost more than 20kg due to eating not enough at home, I like to go to the office: I can go out and have several lunch options and I dont have to cook for one person and then clean up 20 Min.

:-)