Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution (travel.state.gov)

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[−] beloch 54d ago
The U.S. government shutdown has halted pay to the TSA, but not ICE, so ICE is taking over from the TSA in airports[1]. If you fly to the U.S., starting Monday apparently, the first think you're likely to see is masked gunmen giving you the eye.

No thankyou.

[1]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cede0qyvqz3o

[−] nandomrumber 54d ago
Would anyone argue that the TSA, Theatre Security Agency, shouldn’t be defunded?
[−] Macha 54d ago
Replacing it with nothing in an orderly fashion? Probably a good move.

Replacing them with ICE as a political gesture? Not so much

[−] derf_ 54d ago
The TSA is responsible for more than just airports. As someone with family who works (worked) on port security in the maritime division, I would argue that Chesterton's Fence [0] applies here just as much as anywhere else.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Chesterton's_...

[−] stvltvs 54d ago
Many of us were alive when the TSA was created. It's not a mystery why it's there. (Mostly so politicians could say they did something to improve air travel security.)
[−] lazide 54d ago
Well, and it did do something - make the experience more consistently mediocre. Which is indeed something.

Previously, some airports were even more of a nightmare, and others were actually pleasant.

[−] rendaw 54d ago
Ports had no security before 2001? What does TSA do there?
[−] LeChuck 54d ago
Ports did indeed have very little security before 2001 (compared to now). See ISPS code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Ship_and_Port_Fa...
[−] 5555624 54d ago
The Coast Guard has long been responsible for port security. TSA does administer TWIC, the Transportation Worker Identification Credential program, which is a biometric identification system go access to secure port facilities.
[−] rawfan 53d ago
Yeah, it was actually a lot of fun. I worked in a port-related area and often we would just cruise around the port and look at the ships. If it looked cool we would yell loudly and ask if we could come aboard. The seamen were usually thrilled to show us around their massive ships and would often invite us to a barbecue. With the introduction of the ISPS all of that was over in an instant.
[−] mlrtime 54d ago
Depends on what defunded means... if it means pay/control shifting from a Federal agency to local, then yes.

Maning, airports / municipalities should be funding this. If airports were in control the the user experience, I bet you would see a lot better outcomes.

[−] vkou 53d ago

> If airports were in control the the user experience, I bet you would see a lot better outcomes.

Would you? It's not like I have a choice of which airport to fly out of.

Maybe New Yorkers have options, but for the rest of us, there is only one that is an option.

[−] vkou 54d ago
It shouldn't be defunded, because as stupid as it and the 2001 politics that spawned it were, anything MAGA will replace it with in 2026 would be way worse.
[−] tombert 54d ago
There's an argument for that, though I think replacing it with Trump's basically-unregulated private military is pretty concerning.
[−] hmmokidk 54d ago
This isn’t that.
[−] taneq 54d ago
I feel like "form your own private paramilitary organisation with minimal oversight, then expand their reach by having them take over the operations of other government departments" has been done before somewhere, as part of a larger plan.
[−] nclin_ 54d ago
This is a historical pattern: Bringing border forces to bear against your own population, because those border forces are trained to deal with people who don't have the rights of the state.
[−] gotwaz 54d ago
They dont have all the skills to do anything super complex in a sustainable way. Already proved in the first term. What their existence demonstrates is winning election is not super complex if you can find enough groups to precisely target and pander/capture attention. Social media has been a force multiplier for such behavior and the people that have emerged dont have any other skill other than attention capture. But thats short term win like full focus on marketing while product and operations have no hope of catching up. Every "large plan" will fail. Large plans in complex ever changing environments always need massive cooperation of very different skills. Never happens sustainably with just one skill dominating all.
[−] encrypted_bird 54d ago
It has. (Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case I'm not surprised it went over my head. Lol.)
[−] diego_moita 54d ago
It will be so much fun to watch the World Cup from outside the US...
[−] fundad 54d ago
Enter the country and you interact with CBP and that hasn't changed. CBP agents are the ones who murdered the legal observers in Minneapolis so there's that.

TSA checks bags for commercial airlines which is a service that should never have been nationalized.

[−] AceJohnny2 54d ago

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So ICE is taking over from the TSA in airports

It's even more disgusting than that:

"Tom Homan: ICE officers will not assist with airport security scanning amid TSA staffing shortage"

https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/5795316-homan-ice-...

[−] bdangubic 54d ago
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[−] jazzpush2 54d ago
Has there been any official WH note on the need for this war, yet? Or objectives?
[−] ggm 54d ago
Would the current state of affairs qualify for cancelling the mid-terms? Is that overly cynical?

Not in the US, not a US citizen or voter. My suspicion is the answer is "no, but it is not a given that a competent supreme court which looks likely to overturn the WH exists, if they say they want to do this"

[−] cogman10 54d ago
Is this an orange, purple, or magenta threat level?
[−] softwaredoug 54d ago
This is so non-specific to be meaningless.

Like actually tell us what you know so we can make useful decisions about our safety.

[−] bdangubic 54d ago
I got jumped in Italy couple of weeks ago. I was wearing a "volleyball dad" hoodie my kid bought for me but did not realize that the "volleyball dad" is etched in the middle of a large American flag covering my entire back. Luckily (for him, not me :) ) three police officers were 10 meters away walking the area dealing with apre ski drunks and restrained him. fun times
[−] cmdrmac 54d ago
My first thought: You don't say?
[−] marysminefnuf 54d ago
So the presidents personal law enforcement that is tasked with racially profiling people who overwhelmingly do not pose a threat are going to now be conducting security directly from the source where millions of foreign travelers come through…hmmm…ridiculous
[−] metalman 54d ago
There is a worldwide consensus that the American State should exercise increased caution.
[−] mrbombastic 54d ago
Crazy how effective at making everything worse this admin has been.
[−] nisiddharth 54d ago
"Americans", do they own the entire American continent?
[−] ceejayoz 54d ago
I am tired of winning.
[−] flowerthoughts 54d ago
On the flip side, I _think_ there's actually less and less about Epstein visible, so I think WH is winning that war. Or at least successfully postponing battles.
[−] refulgentis 54d ago
lol.

The current situation has been giving me so many flashbacks. Here, my GWB-era teens had the terror threat level, and now we're lazily reimagining State Department traveling warnings as a dark slapstick version (be afraid everywhere, American!)

[−] drgo 54d ago
A small price for demonstrating that our El-Douche is always right and a stable genius.
[−] tombert 54d ago
What the fuck was even the intended purpose of starting this war in Iran? Like in their mind, what was the best case scenario?
[−] UltraSane 54d ago
Trump wrecks everything he touches.
[−] dzonga 54d ago
why are common people paying for the incompetence of a gvt.

to not be political this lies at the heart of principles, morals, meritocracy

values that the current gvt lacks & things that drove america forward.

[−] cdrnsf 54d ago
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[−] geenkeuse 52d ago
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[−] wileydragonfly 54d ago
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[−] readitalready 54d ago
When do we expect Iranians to actually attack US military bases outside the middle east? I heard there were already drones flying over bases in the US: https://wjla.com/news/local/unidentified-drones-fly-over-for...