About the Atmosphere (toni.org)

by Kye 21 comments 72 points
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[−] pfraze 47d ago
Just want to add that the AT Protocol IETF working group has been formed, and the PLC directory independent organization and board has officially been established. I’m at the closing talk for this years Atmosphere Conference as I write this and it’s really an incredible community of devs.
[−] laurex 47d ago
I'm excited to see communities of developers working to build things that are meaningful and matter to regular people, which ATProto seems to have more of than some other ecosystems in decent tech land. And where else could you attend an awesome workshop on "Hospicing Social Media?"
[−] Kye 47d ago
Since this re-surfaced from the second chance queue, this is a good place to say they just announced the first and very important steps to an independent PLC directory: https://martianbase.net/@mackuba/116314877708269740

From the alt text:

Initial board

- Bryan Newbold - Bluesky, protocol engineer

- Richard Barnes - Co-founder Let's Encrypt, Co-author MLS, ACME, HPKE, etc

- Wendy Seltzer - Internet Lawyer & open standards advocate

- Filippo Valsorda - Cryptographer, Go cryptography maintainer, transparency log aficionado

- Thyla van der Merwe - Cryptographer, security & privacy engineer at Google

This is on top of the IETF working group news: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/atp/about/

[−] danpalmer 47d ago
I can really get behind this positive take on ATProto and the ecosystem. I know there was early criticism, but much of that stems from the project taking a fairly long-term viewpoint early on, and then having to work their way towards fulfilling that. We're now at that point, and the model looks great.
[−] devmor 46d ago
I still don’t think the model is quite great until the bandwidth problem is solved in a way that doesn’t make it prohibitively expensive for alternative appview hosting.

It’s the one part of the whole system I think needs a lot of work.

[−] fsflover 47d ago
Related: Cory Doctorow joined Bluesky using self-hosting:

https://pluralistic.net/2026/03/05/executive-dysfunction/

[−] CactusBlue 46d ago

> It's not enough for the people who run a service to be good people – they also have to take steps to insulate themselves (and their successors) from the kind of drip-drip-drip rationalizations that turn a series of small ethical waivers into a cumulative avalanche of pure wickedness

I completely disagree with this guy. No amount of process or protocol can be a substitute for an actually decent organization culture; without the latter, everything falls apart no matter how good the former is.

[−] jrm4 46d ago
I agree; and whatever you think that is good can possibly be used against you. This is why I think ATProto is possibly dangerous, it makes Big Brother's job easier, as opposed to how ActivityPub does it.
[−] fsflover 46d ago
Twitter confirmed that Cory Doctorow was right. See also: Reddit and Freenode exodus.
[−] marcus_holmes 47d ago
What's the trade-off between this and ActivityPub?

I might be being cynical but I think I've seen this story play out before. Did Bluesky genuinely believe that AP wouldn't work for their use-case, or did they want to own the protocol?

[−] dinakernel 47d ago
The best part was the Doom running over AT Protocol. Jetstream is a bit patchy, but running Doom - I would never have thought it possible
[−] aaron695 47d ago
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[−] isodev 47d ago
I don’t get this post at all. Just because the Bluesky people opted to call things “open” doesn’t make it so. ATproto helps the open web as much as NFTs and DAPs did before it.