Goldman Sachs now reckons that oil could take out the 2008 record of $147 (ft.com)

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[−] bookofjoe 48d ago
[−] JumpCrisscross 48d ago
$147 in July 2008 had the purchasing power of ~$218 today [1].

[1] https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

[−] selectodude 48d ago
Goldman Sachs has been sandbagging their crude forecasts so hilariously that I'm convinced they're frontrunning their customers.
[−] JumpCrisscross 48d ago
Do they meaningfully deviate from their peers?
[−] selectodude 48d ago
Not really. It's just that the divergence in price analysis coming out of banks vs the what people in the oil industry are saying is just so ridiculous that I refuse to believe that the hotshot analysts at GS/JPM are that ignorant.
[−] JumpCrisscross 48d ago

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divergence in price analysis coming out of banks vs the what people in the oil industry are saying

Source for a consensus from oil? The crack spread shows refiners pricing in higher prices [1].

If the domestic refiners and producers can’t agree, why is the homogenous opinion of the banks a conspiracy?

[1] https://rbnenergy.com/market-data/3-2-1-crack-spread

[−] selectodude 48d ago
The source is personal knowledge through friends in O&G. SE Asia is going to run out of oil by the end of April. Even if the war ended tomorrow and the strait opened up again, they will continue to be out of oil for months.

US is insulated from practical supply concerns but we’re gonna be paying the price.

[−] jltsiren 48d ago
$147 was ~€95 in July 2008, which corresponds to ~€140 today. Which would be ~$160. And if you choose a third currency, you will get a third price.

Long-term measurements of value are kind of weird, as your unit of measurement can gain and lose value relative to the units other people are using.

[−] JumpCrisscross 48d ago
The currency is less fundamentally meaningful than the group of purchasers buying their basket of goods.

> Long-term measurements of value are kind of weird

They are worthless. Best case, you’re asking a traveler problem. Does an American tourist rejecting a local Thai delicacy render it worthless? Of course not. They’re different purchasers. Similarly, trying to compare pricing preferences across centuries is borderline voodoo—you’re doing spherical-cow math.

[−] master_crab 48d ago
Also adding: the spike in 2008 was transient and partially juiced by a weak dollar. Unfortunately, we will probably get no respite this time around.

At the current geopolitical trajectory, I also doubt $147 is anywhere near the limit of where oil is going.

[−] missedthecue 48d ago
in retrospect, the american obsession and mental sensitivity to gas prices is very curious. The average national gas price in 2008 was about $3.50 which is almost what it is now in 2026. And being a commodity product sold per gallon, there's obviously no shrinkflation or enshittification going on. It's actually remarkably stable in the face of almost 20 years of steady broader inflation.
[−] seydor 48d ago
Iran is doing this without a navy
[−] mandeepj 48d ago
I don’t estimates of these investments firms seriously! They talk like today’s scenarios will stay put forever - whether good or bad.
[−] shrubble 48d ago
I understand that the impact to Americans is that for every penny increase in the price of a gallon of gas, averaged over a year, is about $1 billion in consumer spending . So if the average price goes from $2.99 to $3.49 , that’s 50 billion dollars.
[−] black_13 48d ago
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[−] zoklet-enjoyer 48d ago
The United States is run by pirates
[−] mo7061 48d ago
There is one thing to say here, USA wants the price to be high so it can throttle china.