Vector Meson Dominance (johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com)

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[−] aap_ 43d ago
Very cool! The suggestion to consider how the standard model came to be rather than starting with the result sounds like an excellent idea.

But of course i have to disagree with this: "A spin-1/2 particle is described by a spinor, which is a bit weird, but spin-1 particle is described by something more familiar: a vector!"

In my view a spinor is even more familiar than a vector: it's like a hand - it comes back to itself after 720° of rotation. Just like a vector is like an arrow or a mirror, which come back after 360°. What could be more familiar than a hand?

[−] frumiousirc 42d ago

> it's like a hand - it comes back to itself after 720° of rotation

The analogy is a bit broken in a way that may add confusion. The hand comes back to it's starting configuration after two 360° rotations, each along a different axis. A spinor's symmetry has 720° of rotation along a single axis.

[−] aap_ 42d ago
No, around a single axis. if you hold your hand palm up you can rotate in the (vertical) z axis around 360° and get a twist in the arm. another 360° undoes the twist, that's 720° around a single axis.
[−] frumiousirc 40d ago
No. The first rotation is along an axis in the direction in which your fingers point. The second rotation is along an axis normal to your palm.
[−] aap_ 40d ago
If you're rotating around your fingers you're doing something else, not what i mean. I'm just talking palm up, rotating in the vertical axis, 720°. like the cup dance.
[−] gus_massa 42d ago
My hand comes back after 360°.
[−] pavel_lishin 42d ago
Attempting to spin my hand by 360° may result in me coming back from the hospital, unless I spin my entire body along with it.
[−] aap_ 42d ago
But with a twist in the arm. After another 360 the arm is back too.
[−] lanza 42d ago

> In my view a spinor is even more familiar than a vector

Okay... Pauli and Dirac both received Nobel Prizes for discovering spinors. Nobody needed to discover pointing in some direction.

[−] aap_ 42d ago
Sometimes the simplest things are hidden in plain sight :) Most people point with their fingers/hands. Unlike rayman, who has vector-like hands, biological beings have them connected to their body, which makes them behave like spinors. But Dirac actually knew about this, after all there is a belt trick named after him.
[−] dist-epoch 43d ago
"a spinor is like a hand" is about as intuitive as "a monad is like a burrito"

Spinors are so intuitive that you need a 1 hour video full of animations to explain them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7OIbMCIfs4

[−] aap_ 42d ago
The whole assumption of the video is that one cannot understand spinors. He does a good job with the mathematics but i disagree with the premise.