Driving around America, you'll see they have these brown background signs telling you about museums and parks and stuff like that. We often stop by these to just take a look and it blows my mind how rich this country is that some random little lake somewhere will have a full blown parking lot and restroom and will look spick and span. There'll be a couple of those standard-issue picnic tables and standard-issue signboards describing the place.
I think the brown signs for "sights" which are the same shape as road directions are kinda standardized? I've been seeing them in Europe for decades too.
These ones with more detailed drawings are less common, but I've also seen them in multiple countries (at least my home town in Italy and some cities in Hungary have them).
Have you moved to the US from somewhere else that doesn't have anything like that? I'm more interested in how that works tbh, because this also seems normal to me (UK) – if there's some natural attraction like woods or a lake or whatever are you just not allowed to see it? Or you are, you can freely roam, but just it's on you to figure out how to get there/what to do with your car etc.? Or would it just not be publicly owned land anyway so previous questions are irrelevant?
I grew up in India. I’m told it’s different now so I’ll just say that I haven’t lived there in decades and my experience was that you would not routinely have a nice parking lot on a paved road that led to a nice viewpoint. You could get there but there is no guarantee of the safe path unless you knew a local and if you went from point A to point B you didn’t have signs pointing out things of significance.
The extensive network of well-signposted trails and so on that I’m now used to were not a common feature of my life there. For what it’s worth, I did have experiences there that one doesn’t routinely have here that were nonetheless an educational part of my life.
Even if it's public land, you usually need a permit (though an America the Beautiful Pass is not that expensive and covers almost all federally-owned land).
However, the point was about the signs. You can find quite a lot of neat little things that you otherwise would have no easy way of discovering.
Texas has a bunch of state historical markers along even minor routes. They can be hard to catch at speed (most TX highways have a 70 MPH speed limit, even small ones), but there's typically a space where you can pull over and read it.
> how rich this country is that some random little lake somewhere will have a full blown parking lot
Aren't the parking spaces required by law, instead of "because we're rich"? I don't know, but I just watched the latest Not Just Bikes video, where he mentions legal requirements for stores to provide lots of parking spaces, which makes everything more expensive.
Parking minimums are implemented during building permitting. Natural lakes don't have building permits, and the parking is often constructed by the state.
These road signs are iconic. They’re noticeable but not distracting. They inform without imposing themselves. There’s something very soothing about them.
If you’ve ever taken the A10 motorway France between Bordeaux and Paris, it’s about a 500 km stretch that is fairly straight and, thus, a bit boring. But seeing these golden signs along the road was always a small event for me as a kid. They act as sporadic milestones: every time you see one, you know you’ve made progress and entered a new region.
Those monuments (from humans or from nature) should be obvious knowledge, but I generally don’t know any of them. It helps pacing the road trip, and be able to say “Mom, I’m at the level of the [Sainte Baume, for me]”.
They are shown on Michelin maps and atlas. We love to travel using the atlas and stopping on interesting sights or roads. Usually in France you can go from A to B the fast and boring way, or the slow and scenic way which is perfect for holiday time
We love these signs when we're touring. In our motorhome we're normally going slow enough that we can just turn off the autoroute or else log interesting sites for a future trip.
I'm British-Canadian so the European roads hold no fear for me. I'd say to any worried North Americans (roundabouts, kms, aires), just do it some time - France in particular is a chilled place to drive motorhomes (RVs if you must) and I've never had any grief. We avoid Paris and other dense urban areas, but the beautiful countryside and easy autoroutes make for an excellent tour. We're off to Norway next month and I hope the signage is as interesting.
Motorhomes pay double toll on French highways, they are over 2m high. It quickly adds up, and anyway the cruising speed of a motorhome is ~100 km/h, so you don't win much over nationales, and the view is worse on a highway.
Reading this article, I just realized that it is something I didn't appreciate enough when I was living in France. In Korea, my home country, you can find a lot of signs for local temples, though. But they do not have identities like French ones. There are some signs too but they are mostly commercial restaurants, local farms, and so on. And they are usually ugly with big letters with saturated colors; red and yellow.
They are not as common in Germany as in France in my experience. I would rather prefer to visit a german castle than waiting for the Stau to disappear.
In Germany, there's a guideline for a minimum distance between such signs so that they still stand out. Though I have seen a few that were closer than the supposed minimum of 20 or 30 km or so.
Yeah its not a rocket science but rather tourism 101 for which every country has dedicated office & budget to support and grow. It may be easier to list western places which don't have them in places where they should.
These are awesome, but the downside is when you already have your day(s) planned out and didn't know about the super-appealing landmark or attraction they depict! Still, they do help set the tone that you are traveling through places with tons of history and awesome cultural destinations worth checking out.
I think their placement is weird though. They really don’t tell you how to get there. Sometimes they are very far from the thing they advertise. And you really shouldn’t go off the motorway when you see the sign. It could be quite confusing when you actually are planning to go to that place.
Also a bunch of places that are shown in the sign are privately owned like zoos and recreation parks. These tend to be iconic ones but it still feels a little off.
I remember being a passenger in an Audi 80 Avant with windsurf boards n that on the roof, traveling from the ruhr in northern Germany to southern Spain, in around 1985. We went via la rue du soleil or a sodding great motorway through France - north to south.
Never able to pay attention to them as I'm hyper alert to « CÉDEZ LE PASSAGE » signs, or the absence of one telling me I don't have to give way, which means I don't have priority, and some random local could barrel out at 90km/h.
! There is right-hand priority in France! The absence of “Yield” sign means you must let the car from the right go, if they don’t have their own sign, EVEN if they’re from a smaller road (apart from private roads).
You were probably victim of a French person using their priority correctly, which is very misleading because you would have been found full-guilty. I call it an “implicit priority to the right” and municipalities use it abundantly to create slow traffic, but foreigners don’t always know that smaller innocent secondary streets can have priority OVER the main road of a village.
Oh yes, the local shooting out of a narrow lane often has the legal right to do that. I think that is mad. If you want that behaviour, the the main road should have a stop sign.
Particularly in small hamlets, where there is a stone cottage on the corner, there is no visibility of incoming traffic. MOST of the little streets will have a stop/give way, but you can't be sure. It's like playing Russian roulette.
Just terrible road design because of an ancient rule from the horse and carriage era.
Absolutely terrible road design. I’m just saying: Yes it is enforced, active, alive and used.
Worse: It is inconsistent. My father was rolling out from a neighborhood from the right, hit a car: He didn’t have the right of way because the “cadastre” (the registry of ownership maps) said the land belonged to the neighborhood and therefore was private property. But in MY neighborhood, the neighborhood land belongs to the city and it would have given him priority.
I think as a country becomes more international, there are fewer unintuitive rules and more explicit markings required for everyone. That France didn’t change that is a mark of cute traditionalism.
Interesting, I've driven in 15 different European countries and found France to be one of the easiest and most chill. I mean, on the highways and city streets, anyways -- not so much on the farmland single-lane roads that shockingly have a speed limit of 90km/h lol ... but regardless, the "people merging in from the right have the right-of-way" actually makes sense to me since they're engaging in the most "high-pressure" action, while those of us strolling along on the highway can just adjust our speed to give them space, or change lanes ahead of time as needed.
Interestingly, I believe this manoeuvre (move over to make room for cars entering the highway) is banned in Germany, because it can cause accidents as the cars from the slower right lanes suddenly move to the left lanes.
That is not correct - making room is legal and encouraged. You are free to use left lanes for good reasons - being too lazy to switch lanes is the one common not good reason.
High speed driving requires looking far ahead to anticipate lane changes of other drivers.
For somebody with seemingly so much experience its interesting how incorrect yet confident you are. Maybe less bragging about meaningless numbers (kms driven are much more important) and more fact-checking in the future?
I mean, on one trip alone I drove over 7000km. If I said something incorrect, feel free to point it out. Sometimes people don't remember every single detail of every law of a country they don't live in. Maybe less condescending hostility in the future?
I'm not talking about highways but country roads. The signs cancelling give way to the right are used in many urban and rural locations. But the absence of them doesn't always mean give way to the right -- you might be able to see they have a stop sign, or the smudge of a line indicating a stop sign you can't see. It's incredibly bad design.
Well, the signs described in the article are only used on the highways, so if they were talking about non-highway driving I guess they may have missed that detail heh
Do you know of any official government-supplied reference for this information? No worries if not, but I'm trying to find something definitive because I am seeing opposing information all over the place (including on authoritative-sounding travel/tourism sites).
I see from checking Google Maps that, indeed, the merging lanes all have a yield sign in them (from the handful I checked). Now I'm wondering "do they have the sign because otherwise the merging vehicle WOULD have the right of way?" or "is this just a friendly reminder of what would legally be the case even if the sign wasn't there?"
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I really love these random stops.
These ones with more detailed drawings are less common, but I've also seen them in multiple countries (at least my home town in Italy and some cities in Hungary have them).
The extensive network of well-signposted trails and so on that I’m now used to were not a common feature of my life there. For what it’s worth, I did have experiences there that one doesn’t routinely have here that were nonetheless an educational part of my life.
However, the point was about the signs. You can find quite a lot of neat little things that you otherwise would have no easy way of discovering.
Texas has a bunch of state historical markers along even minor routes. They can be hard to catch at speed (most TX highways have a 70 MPH speed limit, even small ones), but there's typically a space where you can pull over and read it.
> how rich this country is that some random little lake somewhere will have a full blown parking lot
Aren't the parking spaces required by law, instead of "because we're rich"? I don't know, but I just watched the latest Not Just Bikes video, where he mentions legal requirements for stores to provide lots of parking spaces, which makes everything more expensive.
That wasn't my experience in California and Nevada as a tourist from Europe.
If you’ve ever taken the A10 motorway France between Bordeaux and Paris, it’s about a 500 km stretch that is fairly straight and, thus, a bit boring. But seeing these golden signs along the road was always a small event for me as a kid. They act as sporadic milestones: every time you see one, you know you’ve made progress and entered a new region.
I'm British-Canadian so the European roads hold no fear for me. I'd say to any worried North Americans (roundabouts, kms, aires), just do it some time - France in particular is a chilled place to drive motorhomes (RVs if you must) and I've never had any grief. We avoid Paris and other dense urban areas, but the beautiful countryside and easy autoroutes make for an excellent tour. We're off to Norway next month and I hope the signage is as interesting.
These are cool indeed.
I think their placement is weird though. They really don’t tell you how to get there. Sometimes they are very far from the thing they advertise. And you really shouldn’t go off the motorway when you see the sign. It could be quite confusing when you actually are planning to go to that place.
Also a bunch of places that are shown in the sign are privately owned like zoos and recreation parks. These tend to be iconic ones but it still feels a little off.
Still, it is possible France came up with them first.
> They really don’t tell you how to get there.
That's French, and Italian, roadsigns in general.
We had to slow down to 80mph in France.
You were probably victim of a French person using their priority correctly, which is very misleading because you would have been found full-guilty. I call it an “implicit priority to the right” and municipalities use it abundantly to create slow traffic, but foreigners don’t always know that smaller innocent secondary streets can have priority OVER the main road of a village.
Particularly in small hamlets, where there is a stone cottage on the corner, there is no visibility of incoming traffic. MOST of the little streets will have a stop/give way, but you can't be sure. It's like playing Russian roulette.
Just terrible road design because of an ancient rule from the horse and carriage era.
Worse: It is inconsistent. My father was rolling out from a neighborhood from the right, hit a car: He didn’t have the right of way because the “cadastre” (the registry of ownership maps) said the land belonged to the neighborhood and therefore was private property. But in MY neighborhood, the neighborhood land belongs to the city and it would have given him priority.
I think as a country becomes more international, there are fewer unintuitive rules and more explicit markings required for everyone. That France didn’t change that is a mark of cute traditionalism.
It is common courtesy to move over or match speed so they can merge more easily, but that's not the law.
High speed driving requires looking far ahead to anticipate lane changes of other drivers.
Sounds like they're talking about the fact that at an intersection, unless signaled otherwise, the people coming from the right have right of way.
> "people merging in from the right have the right-of-way" actually makes sense to me
Yeah but they don't; priority to the right never happens on motorways, all insertions lanes have “Cédez le passage” signs.
I see from checking Google Maps that, indeed, the merging lanes all have a yield sign in them (from the handful I checked). Now I'm wondering "do they have the sign because otherwise the merging vehicle WOULD have the right of way?" or "is this just a friendly reminder of what would legally be the case even if the sign wasn't there?"
(edit: I seem to have found the relevant regulations at https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/section_lc/LEGITEXT0000... , article R415-8 seems to cover it)
EDIT: https://youtube.com/shorts/Fs8h9SRqJ5I?si=eZNm9p5HirXkknmU