“CEO said a thing” journalism (karlbode.com)

by LordAtlas 74 comments 152 points
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[−] kleinsch 46d ago
Closely related to “people are upset about a thing” articles which just regurgitate quotes from random people on social media.
[−] rchaud 46d ago
The half-life of those articles is one week or less. There are no public figures who are the source of those headlines, thus there aren't any second-order effects occurring from other media outlets running with the headline to write their own "here's our 2 cents" article for clicks and views.
[−] y0eswddl 46d ago
Don't forget "thing is selling for " based on unsold ebay listings...
[−] salemh 46d ago
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[−] dylan604 46d ago
Sometimes that is newsworthy though. For example, are people happy with ICE storm troopers running amok in their city and you're just the weird one not liking it, or are you one of many?
[−] guessmyname 46d ago
Problem is, it is often just 1-2 posts on Twitter. Maybe 5… Heck! maybe 10, but that’s it.

And it’s often people who are only superficially involved in the thing they are so expertly talking about.

Sometimes it’s teenagers who just want to troll adults, especially knowing that their posts could appear in the news. Sometimes it’s adults who want to troll other adults for the LOLs or to fulfill a particular agenda. Sometimes it’s bots, actually, usually bots. Something the posts don’t even exist.

[−] vntok 46d ago
You can't infer anything about 3 choice Twitter quotes copied into an article, though.
[−] pydry 46d ago
No, but this stuff would magically stop being newsworthy if the DNC linked oligarchy couldnt or didnt want to use it as a stick to beat the RNC linked oligarchy.

It's good that this ulterior motive exists but it's not something you can rely upon.

Similarly there wouldnt have been a pushback on net neutrality if big tech didnt want it so desperately.

[−] Paratoner 46d ago
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[−] josefritzishere 46d ago
Uncritically regurgitating what sources tell you is not journalism. It's too lazy to rise to the level of propaganda. It's more like writing them a press release for free.
[−] brk 46d ago
The thing this article does not cover is that the average journalist has no sway. Most readers don't want the opinion of some random person covering a space, so "CEO Said a Thing" is the headline that draws the reader in. Many times the journalist also is not getting paid enough to inject any sort of counterpoint or unique perspective. This just seems like the natural outcome of the click-whoring online "news" structure we've created.
[−] hamdingers 46d ago
If a journalist is not being paid enough to do journalism, what do we call their output?

Certainly not journalism.

[−] saaaaaam 46d ago
The fairly well established term is churnalism.
[−] righthand 46d ago
Spam
[−] MeetingsBrowser 46d ago
clickbait
[−] catcowcostume 46d ago
Then a better approach would be to not report on CEO's ramblings, and instead focus journalistic resources on topics of more interest to society. But, as the article points, that is not the purpose of journalism (at least in the United States).
[−] balkanist 46d ago
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[−] nickvec 46d ago

> The result is a sort of alternative reality journalistic simulacrum that kind of looks like journalism, but genuinely isn't interested in any context or truth that upsets the apple cart. It's a sort of journalistic Ken Doll with the genitals sanded off to a smooth hump to avoid offending anyone.

> This lazy simulacrum tends to be a death knell for genuine public interest reporting, resulting in a press that broadly normalizes (or just outright ignores) rampant corruption and real world impact.

Amazing article, and beautifully crafted conclusion. Thanks for taking the time to write this. Your sentiment is shared by many, even if the media wants you to believe otherwise with all the “CEO said a thing!” journalism.

[−] tolerance 46d ago
I'm confident this phenomenon exists in other industries too.

Is there a term that's equivalent to "reactionary" but applies to leftist/liberal ideals or is it fine for me to start referring to this kind of writing as "reactionary" save that I apply some sort of qualifier like "leftist" or "liberal" before or afterwards?

[−] xracy 46d ago
It feels like the only reason to label one side of the political spectrum "reactionary" in this way is to poison the well for anyone responding to you.

Where as, pre-labeling things as being politically one-sided is very reactionary, and seems to be what you're doing here. It's also not limited to just one side of the political spectrum. I would argue that Conservatives tend to be even more reactionary than liberals. See: All the legislation to prevent children from eating from dog/cat bowls in schools when there's no evidence of this occurring.

[−] thrance 46d ago
I fail to see any connections between this piece and Reaction, even tenuous ones.

Also, what would define a "leftist reactionary" anyway? An opposition to social conservatism? That's already the left's stance.

> is it fine for me to start referring to this kind of writing as "reactionary"

I really don't understand what's wrong with asking journalists to do their damn jobs and spend even a tiny amount of time checking the validity of what the people they're quoting are saying. Don't remove their statement, just point at the various potential ways they're misleading/wrong.

Journalists better start doing this basic part of their job again lest you want to be ruled by shameless incompetent buffoons that go unchallenged. Oh wait...

[−] hollasch 46d ago
I believe that the standard word for this is "radical", but standard use is sloppy enough that it's reasonable to seek a clearer term. I also think that "knee-jerk" may capture the quick reflexive nature you're thinking of.
[−] code_for_monkey 46d ago
im not sure what about this makes it left reactionary but I suppose left reactionary would be the term
[−] jayd16 46d ago
The equivalent word is "radical".
[−] tolerance 46d ago
Raymond Williams in Keywords: A Vocabulary of Culture and Society:

    Reactionary has become difficult because it can mean (i) opposed to reforms;
    (ii) wishing to go back to some previous condition; (iii) by application, support-
    ing a particular (right-wing) version of society. There are few difficulties when
    all impulses to change (actions) are from the Left, and all resistance (reactions)
    from the Right. But if, for example, a capitalist party is in an innovating phase, or
    if a fascist party is proposing a new social order, each side can call the other reac-
    tionary: (i) because capitalism and fascism are right-wing, reactionary, as such;
    (ii) because resistance to particular kinds of change, and especially changes and
    innovations in capitalism and capitalist society, is seen as reactionary (wishing to
    preserve or restore some other condition). Thus we can be invited to identify the
    reactionary Right (usually with a sense of the extreme Right, as distinguished
    from progressive or reforming conservatives, as well as from Liberals and the Left)
    but often, also, the reactionary Left (opposing types of change which they see as
    for the worse, or relying on particular senses of the democratic or socialist tradi-
    tion which they oppose to current changes of a different kind).
I don't know if this helps but there's a precedent!
[−] throwaway2562 46d ago
Controversially, that would be ‘woke’, but obvs the term is now somewhat tarnished.

As the right has an immovable Evangelical wing, so now does the Left. A good word for such people is currently unoccupied.

[−] tadfisher 46d ago
It is at least entertaining when certain CEOs speak off-the-cuff and reveal they have no clue what they are talking about.

Jensen thinks DLSS 5 works at "the geometry level", for instance. Oh and he pays engineers $500,000 to spend $250,000 on Claude tokens.

[−] nickvec 46d ago
As an aside, Mark Zuckerberg claiming that you’ll be at a “cognitive disadvantage” if you don’t use Meta Glasses is hilarious and beyond out of touch. If anything, you’re at a social advantage for not constantly recording your peers like some pervert. They really are “creeper glasses”
[−] yoyohello13 46d ago
I've come to the conclusion recently that if a tech CEO is pushing for something , it's probably something normal people should be fighting against. To the point where "Elon/Mark/Jensen/Peter wants society to do [thing]" is a pretty strong signal that [thing] is actually a terrible idea.
[−] tim333 45d ago
President truths a thing can also be a bit substandard journalism.
[−] John23832 46d ago
Reaction-baiting (or -bating depending on your perspective) really has ruined most discourse. There a direct line to advertising and social media.
[−] LeoDaVibeci 46d ago
At least it's slightly more interesting than "company X raises Y millions at Z billions valuation", but point taken
[−] worik 46d ago
Naturally media are on the side of money.
[−] 6thbit 46d ago
Quotes should be around “journalism”.

Let’s recognize those bait posts as what they are, which for sure is not journalism.

[−] shevy-java 46d ago
Like media reporting about Trump. Trump is a (mostly) fake-news generator. The problem is that the traditional media is largely structued to suit different goals, often the owner (make more money), in part to send out a certain narrative (propaganda). Or both.

I don't have a good work-around for this either. I try to gather news from different sources and use my brain, but even then my brain is influenced a lot by what information is given. Youtube is kind of great and awful here; great because you may have critical content (e. g. I like Vlad Vexler's thinking and reasoning, even if I may not always agree with the rationale, analysis, premise or outcome), but there is also soooo much propaganda on youtube. Tons of parrots repeating a certain narrative. Peter Zeihan is my personal disfavourite right now (the recent "How to Break Iran" is pure propaganda IMO) but there are so many more examples, influencers too. One day I'll need to disconnect myself from youtube (and, in the process, Google); right now I admit I am too addicted to some of it (the content, not the platform; the platform pisses me off. It is not even usable anymore without ublock origin).

[−] stackedinserter 46d ago
Also "some minority group is concerned about something" journalism.
[−] righthand 46d ago
This is like half of the writing at Arstechnica for the last decade or more.
[−] Animats 46d ago
This guy is all too right. Fortune.com today:

> A CEO trying to reindustrialize America says blue-collar pay is headed for ‘massive hyperinflation’ and kids should skip college to become welders

> Trump said the Iran war was ‘very complete’ three weeks ago.

> Nvidia’s Jensen Huang says ‘We’ve achieved AGI.’

It's like reading dispatches from an alternate post-truth universe.

> You can never return back to the claims to inform your readership whether they were actually true (this is especially true of CEO promises made before giant, pointless, disastrous mergers).

That's the worst. It's like it's now wrong to call CEOs on their bullshit.

Yesterday I noted that Donut Labs, with their heavily promoted solid state battery, had previously announced they would be shipping in volume in Q1 2026. I wrote on HN "They have until Tuesday." That was voted down.

[−] hnthrow0287345 46d ago

>I'd end with some noble call for the U.S. media industry to do better, but it's abundantly clear they don't want to.

Yeah, shrinking revenue, lawsuits, death threats, buyouts and takeovers, government strong-arming all contribute to not really wanting to fight the fight that they need to.

There isn't a solution to this as you can't bankroll media outlets or journalists and not expect to be considered biased. The revenue has to come from every day people. So if the revenue isn't there to pay the best people, you're simply not going to have a good, independent media industry any more. Any very-rich person bankrolling that probably also has political affiliations, which again introduces bias.

With rising cost of living, the population will clearly cut out the media subscriptions thinking that the free journalism slop is enough to keep them informed.

[−] michaelsshaw 46d ago
This is all a result of the techbro "genius" worship culture that YC & co are definitely guilty in helping to create. Writing code on a computer doesn't make anyone smarter than anyone else, and hopefully people will wake up to that fact sooner rather than later.
[−] dgxyz 46d ago
The worst is "Jony Ive said"
[−] airstrike 46d ago
This is ultimately a consequence of the attention economy, which is absolutely harmful for most everyone in the long term, with the exception of, you know, Elon, Sam, Mark and the like.
[−] enjoylife 46d ago
Another restatement of Brandolini’s Law. The cost of parroting this kind of information is very low, while the cost of refuting it is very high. And the value an outlet can extract from its readership to fund that refutation is nowhere close to cover its outlay. Maybe a counter is the occasional take-down article can sometimes go more viral than the original claim, but chasing those is probably unprofitable too.
[−] jasonlotito 46d ago

> There's no better example of this than what I affectionately refer to as "CEO said a thing!" journalism.

If you are half wrong with your first examples, maybe you should focus on yourself first?

I get the point you are trying to make, but you can't do that spreading misinformation. Jesus.

[−] warpspin 46d ago
Now this was an article where I didn't even need to read the article. The headline was all I needed to know it has all the same complaints I do.
[−] slooonz 46d ago
"What Elon Musk think or at least pretend to think" is indeed an useful/interesting piece of information, and I don’t see why a commentary on it is necessary or particularly useful ?

I mean, I can do the "critical reading of CEO claim" part myself, thank you very much.

And it’s not just CEOs. Politicians, spokepersons of foreign nations, academics, journalists also do that "X said a thing" thing. It’s perfectly fine. I don’t need or desire the personal take of the journalist on that declaration. They have opinion pieces for that.

[−] baggy_trough 46d ago
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