Flagging is not the only strategy. At 7 hours It's already been pushed to page 7, rank 196 alongside posts from days ago. No one else will see it. Mission accomplished.
Was it flagged? I haven't seen that and was wondering why it isn't flagged yet. Reports of harsh realities aren't usually allowed to ruin the celebration of money-printing schemes here.
Unsure why this comment merely copy pasting the summary of TFA is voted dead [0]. Perhaps this is how low the bar for "antisemitism" has fallen these days? Or is vote manipulation taking HN in the direction of /. and reddit?
austin-cheney 6 minutes ago [dead] [–]
This visual shows the names of 60,199 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces
in Gaza from 7 Oct 2023 to 31 Jul 2025. This staggering figure includes
only those whose names and ages could be identified by the Ministry of
Health in Gaza up to that date.
but people copy and paste pertinent info from articles all the time and have done for many many years, so why would you think it's a hard and fast sign of bot activity
If any of that were true why does Israel forbid foreign journalists from reporting facts on the ground? Why did they kill more journalists than all prior conflicts in human history?
It's more or less the same with any modern military. Ukraine for example doesn't allow journalists (foreign or not) in the more dangerous areas near front lines, with rare exceptions for journalists that they invite and escort.
It's perfectly reasonable to not want unrestricted journalists leaking information about military assets, or possibly getting themselves killed. Most people seem to understand (or at least not care) when Ukraine imposes press restrictions. The question should be, why are people suddenly outraged when Israel does roughly the same thing?
That is not the same. When the US invaded Iraq there were over 3000 journalists in Iraq. None of them were in firing zones to be used as human shields. That said, there are still journalists operating in Ukraine even today.
How many journalists does Israel allow in Gaza, anywhere in Gaza? The answer is 0. Worse still is that they appear to directly target journalists for elimination, as became evident when they shot a rocket at a building stairwell that contained only journalists trying to transmit video and then shot a second rocket at the exact same location shortly after to kill any first responders. The entire event, both rocket attacks, was caught on video that made it out of the enclave.
Iraq isn't the most useful comparison because it wasn't feasible for the US to fully control access; determined journalists could find ways into the warzone. They still tried to encourage embedded journalists, who they could protect and also censor, so that they weren't tweeting photos showing artillery locations or what not.
There are journalists operating in Ukraine, but they're either
- embedded/escorted (IDF did a bit of that also)
- in safe ("green") areas far away from fighting (Gaza is too small to really have those; Ukraine is ~1650x larger)
- or just ignoring the laws, and illegally reporting from dangerous yellow or red zones
> or just ignoring the laws, and illegally reporting from dangerous yellow or red zones
I skimmed Wikipedia [1] but couldn't find any mention of laws in Ukraine that forbid reporting from certain areas. I see laws forbidding statements of support for Russia, and laws enabling censorship. Maybe I've misunderstood: are you referring to anti-trespassing laws in general, and not specifically about reporters?
> ow, when ukraine shows that they are strong, people on the internet look horrified how russian soldiers are annihilated with fpv drones and scream about how such things are war crimes and should be stopped.
Sorry who are those people and where I can find them? In my bubble Ukraine is still the victim who lost 20% of its land, and Russians are still bombing the country daily, both military and civilian targets. All male Ukrainians are basically prisoners in their own country who can only pray they don't die soon.
Not sure if I understand it correctly, are you saying:
1. western countries bomb civilians, kill them, put them in jail without court, have ethnonationalistic racist state where some races has more rights and others have less, steal land from others, bomb neighbours because someone is hiding there, ignite wars, lobby/bribe powerful country politicians to reach their own goals
or
2. are you saying Israel didn't commit any of this?
> Not sure if I understand it correctly, are you saying: 1. western countries bomb civilians, kill them, put them in jail without court, have ethnonationalistic racist state where some races has more rights and others have less, steal land from others, bomb neighbours because someone is hiding there, ignite wars, lobby/bribe powerful country politicians to reach their own goals
Sir, have you read about Western countries' imperial and colonial past, even over the last century alone? What about just the last 2 years, as they stood by Israel in every meaningful way while from time to time 'expressing concern' and issuing statements that 'international law must be respected' as the hypocrites that they are? The original commenter was correct: Israel fits right in.
I understand that appealing to myths of noble intentions of western populations is ultimately a good thing if it gets them to act more like it, but a part of me can't resist pointing out that it's just a myth and it's never been anything other than 'might makes right'. I agree with your goal, just please don't frame it as if western countries are these beacons of morality when they're anything but.
They were not framing it that way. They were proposing a retort to someone else that suggested Israel is a civilized western country.
The person you are responding to was saying that for that to be true (Israel = civilized western nation) that either it is civilized to do all those awful things or that Israel is not doing those things.
Obviously, both are false. So you are responding to someone who agrees with you all the way.
Israel doesn't target civilicans specifically, but they don't really care about coladeral damage. i don't see any problem with this
what do you mean "put in jail without court"? give me examples
whaat is the problem with having an ethnonationalistic racist state? and also, arabs have the same rights as jews in israel, because israel is a civilised western country where the law has power.
>lobby/bribe powerful country politicians to reach their own goals
yes, they do this. and who is to blame? you, who elected the said politicians, and allowed it to happen, or israel, that utilized its power to achieve its goals?
i don't support israel lobbying, and i wish it didn't happen, but everyone is so easyly fooled, and it is so obvious, that we can no longer say it's israels fault. it's the west who has to do something about it.
> 2. are you saying Israel didn't commit any of this?
some of the things they didn't comming, some things that did commit and it is not a problem as you present it, and some things they did comming, which indeed as a problem. but there's no perfect state.
i hate israel, but definitely not because it bombs hamas terrorists.
That number is just recovered dead bodies. There are people in the rubbles, still, there are people who died or will die from accompanying factors - such as mass evacuation, living for years in a horrible camp, hunger, diseases, destruction of hospitals and infrastructure that otherwise would kept those people alive.
And Israel definitely conducts very questionable actions, similar to genocide, such as withholding any humanitarian aid for months, and them distributing it only through one controlled organisation, that distributed it in just a few spots, with machine guns pointed at people. Thats one of the main reasons Netanyahu is wanted by ICC.
This is all not mentioning actions in the West Bank, where settlers with army support drive people away from their homes, destroy and take over the land. This is not what a “civilised” nation does.
Well, it's certainly not limited to bodies that were confirmed by officials in a hospital or morgue. A lot of the casualty reports were from a Google form, or later, a self-hosted form (https://sehatty.ps/moh-registration/public/add-order).
Many of the worst genocides in history were by "civilized western countries". Just look at what happened in the Americas (many native ethnic groups are now entirely extinct), in the Congo, Ireland, British oppression and famines in India, and so on and so forth.
Nearly every genocide starts with "we're civilized. That means we're doing the right thing. Some casualties are unavoidable" When someone thinks like that, you know they're doing the wrong thing. You know you cannot trust them. You cannot reason with them because they refuse to see their actions objectively and have ceased to see others as equal to themselves.
The next step could be to attempt to link as many of these as possible to a news article describing the Israeli actions that led to their death, and/or stories about their lives. Obviously it will be hard to attribute most of them, but I think even hundreds of accounts would be powerful.
The higher on the scale the people, the younger they are. This is depressing and completely unnecessary, this is cruel and still ongoing with the recent incursion in Lebanon.
It's insane that so many innocent people continue to die and Tsahal continues to justify their invasion and the death of these people. Heartbreaking.
That number is absolutely staggering, and the fact that at least 20,000 of these are children is literally making me sick every time I think about it.
To Israelis who think this is justified because your country was attacked - for every person killed in the initial attacks, your military has killed 20 children(and many more adults). And that's the ones that were outright killed, and not "just" had their limbs torn off and given lifelong disabilities. How is that proportionate, fair or in any way justifiable?
White text on a mostly white background is not really a good choice, especially if you want to communicate something important.
Kinda unrelated, but are any good sources for deaths in that whole conflict before the 7th October, including other areas? Throwing around that number does have some impact, but does not tell the whole picture and is often dismissed as being "just" a reaction to the attack on 7th October.
The audio you hear when you open the website is from the record of one of the greatest Arabic and Palestinian Poet Mahmoud Darwish reading his poem "On This Land" (English translation here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY_jtTj26Q0).
This visual shows the names of 60,199 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Gaza from 7 Oct 2023 to 31 Jul 2025. This staggering figure includes only those whose names and ages could be identified by the Ministry of Health in Gaza up to that date.
This might not be 100% technical content, but the work, visualizations are technical.
So many people upvoted because they have empathy to both types of content, and downvotes to this type of content comes most of the time from bots controlled by IDF
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That every mouse movement highlights lives lost is harrowing. Grains of sand on the beach, each with their own world and community.
Shame on the flaggers.
It's perfectly reasonable to not want unrestricted journalists leaking information about military assets, or possibly getting themselves killed. Most people seem to understand (or at least not care) when Ukraine imposes press restrictions. The question should be, why are people suddenly outraged when Israel does roughly the same thing?
How many journalists does Israel allow in Gaza, anywhere in Gaza? The answer is 0. Worse still is that they appear to directly target journalists for elimination, as became evident when they shot a rocket at a building stairwell that contained only journalists trying to transmit video and then shot a second rocket at the exact same location shortly after to kill any first responders. The entire event, both rocket attacks, was caught on video that made it out of the enclave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Nasser_Hospital_strikes
There are journalists operating in Ukraine, but they're either
- embedded/escorted (IDF did a bit of that also)
- in safe ("green") areas far away from fighting (Gaza is too small to really have those; Ukraine is ~1650x larger)
- or just ignoring the laws, and illegally reporting from dangerous yellow or red zones
> or just ignoring the laws, and illegally reporting from dangerous yellow or red zones
I skimmed Wikipedia [1] but couldn't find any mention of laws in Ukraine that forbid reporting from certain areas. I see laws forbidding statements of support for Russia, and laws enabling censorship. Maybe I've misunderstood: are you referring to anti-trespassing laws in general, and not specifically about reporters?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_Ukrain...
> ow, when ukraine shows that they are strong, people on the internet look horrified how russian soldiers are annihilated with fpv drones and scream about how such things are war crimes and should be stopped.
Sorry who are those people and where I can find them? In my bubble Ukraine is still the victim who lost 20% of its land, and Russians are still bombing the country daily, both military and civilian targets. All male Ukrainians are basically prisoners in their own country who can only pray they don't die soon.
https://www.ifj.org/war-in-gaza
> they are a civilised western country
Not sure if I understand it correctly, are you saying:
1. western countries bomb civilians, kill them, put them in jail without court, have ethnonationalistic racist state where some races has more rights and others have less, steal land from others, bomb neighbours because someone is hiding there, ignite wars, lobby/bribe powerful country politicians to reach their own goals
or
2. are you saying Israel didn't commit any of this?
> Not sure if I understand it correctly, are you saying: 1. western countries bomb civilians, kill them, put them in jail without court, have ethnonationalistic racist state where some races has more rights and others have less, steal land from others, bomb neighbours because someone is hiding there, ignite wars, lobby/bribe powerful country politicians to reach their own goals
Sir, have you read about Western countries' imperial and colonial past, even over the last century alone? What about just the last 2 years, as they stood by Israel in every meaningful way while from time to time 'expressing concern' and issuing statements that 'international law must be respected' as the hypocrites that they are? The original commenter was correct: Israel fits right in.
I understand that appealing to myths of noble intentions of western populations is ultimately a good thing if it gets them to act more like it, but a part of me can't resist pointing out that it's just a myth and it's never been anything other than 'might makes right'. I agree with your goal, just please don't frame it as if western countries are these beacons of morality when they're anything but.
The person you are responding to was saying that for that to be true (Israel = civilized western nation) that either it is civilized to do all those awful things or that Israel is not doing those things.
Obviously, both are false. So you are responding to someone who agrees with you all the way.
what do you mean "put in jail without court"? give me examples
whaat is the problem with having an ethnonationalistic racist state? and also, arabs have the same rights as jews in israel, because israel is a civilised western country where the law has power.
>lobby/bribe powerful country politicians to reach their own goals yes, they do this. and who is to blame? you, who elected the said politicians, and allowed it to happen, or israel, that utilized its power to achieve its goals? i don't support israel lobbying, and i wish it didn't happen, but everyone is so easyly fooled, and it is so obvious, that we can no longer say it's israels fault. it's the west who has to do something about it.
> 2. are you saying Israel didn't commit any of this? some of the things they didn't comming, some things that did commit and it is not a problem as you present it, and some things they did comming, which indeed as a problem. but there's no perfect state.
i hate israel, but definitely not because it bombs hamas terrorists.
And Israel definitely conducts very questionable actions, similar to genocide, such as withholding any humanitarian aid for months, and them distributing it only through one controlled organisation, that distributed it in just a few spots, with machine guns pointed at people. Thats one of the main reasons Netanyahu is wanted by ICC.
This is all not mentioning actions in the West Bank, where settlers with army support drive people away from their homes, destroy and take over the land. This is not what a “civilised” nation does.
> That number is just recovered dead bodies.
Well, it's certainly not limited to bodies that were confirmed by officials in a hospital or morgue. A lot of the casualty reports were from a Google form, or later, a self-hosted form (https://sehatty.ps/moh-registration/public/add-order).
> they are a civilised western country,
"Civilization" measured by prisoners sodomized with cutting objects or starved to death? And where does "country" give place to illegal occupation?
> who does not commit genocides for the sake of it.
But because God supposedly told them so, which should bring comfort to every "Amalek" out there.
Nearly every genocide starts with "we're civilized. That means we're doing the right thing. Some casualties are unavoidable" When someone thinks like that, you know they're doing the wrong thing. You know you cannot trust them. You cannot reason with them because they refuse to see their actions objectively and have ceased to see others as equal to themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide
It's insane that so many innocent people continue to die and Tsahal continues to justify their invasion and the death of these people. Heartbreaking.
Shame on the flaggers.
If it’s voted or commented on, it bubbles up and gets sorted by a deterministic algo.
I think flagging is abused in HN as a form of censorship.
To Israelis who think this is justified because your country was attacked - for every person killed in the initial attacks, your military has killed 20 children(and many more adults). And that's the ones that were outright killed, and not "just" had their limbs torn off and given lifelong disabilities. How is that proportionate, fair or in any way justifiable?
I see babies there who have seen this world for less than a day!
I know they don't see things well at that stage, their eyes haven't evolved yet, BUT they weren't given an opportunity to see it!!!
Can't express myself anymore
Kinda unrelated, but are any good sources for deaths in that whole conflict before the 7th October, including other areas? Throwing around that number does have some impact, but does not tell the whole picture and is often dismissed as being "just" a reaction to the attack on 7th October.
Look, look sideways... until you break your neck.
EDIT: and pathetic that it's immediately been flagged by the usual wankers.
This might not be 100% technical content, but the work, visualizations are technical.
So many people upvoted because they have empathy to both types of content, and downvotes to this type of content comes most of the time from bots controlled by IDF
The stranglehold of zionists in silicon valley and the US is crazy.