Yggdrasil Network (yggdrasil-network.github.io)

by Velocifyer 60 comments 122 points
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[−] infogulch 43d ago
Is Yggdrasil still using raw truncated ed25519 keys to determine the treespace root node? [1] If so, this seems to be an obvious network availability vulnerability. [2]

[1]: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/2021/06/19/preparing-for...

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27577201#27580938

[−] postsantum 43d ago
Thank you, Yggdrasil, for being just a compact routing scheme, not a semi-governmental military solution for implementing horrors beyond my comprehesion (they just love nordic or lotr names for that kind of things)
[−] xeonmc 43d ago
ootl: what's the deal with hereditary purists and authoritarians appropriating nordic symbolism as dogwhistles?
[−] johanneskanybal 43d ago
It's where all of western history comes from so it's not very strange to be popular overall. It's not like us mythology is a thing.
[−] krapp 43d ago

>It's not like us mythology is a thing.

It was before "Americans" came along.

[−] bulbar 43d ago
Not really, it's just that the Americans and their culture got eradicated for the most part by the invaders/colonialists.
[−] gob_blob 43d ago
I think that that's exactly what the person you replied to was saying.
[−] throwawaypath 42d ago
Maybe they shouldn't have let so many illegal immigrants in.
[−] xhevahir 43d ago
All of Western history comes from the Nordic countries? News to me.
[−] gucci_breakfast 43d ago
this commenter seems to have forgotten hellenistic greece or a little empire called... Rome? lmao
[−] johanneskanybal 41d ago
No just saying us history is a 200 year thing europe history is counted in millienias, that's not really debatable. In this post it was noridc mythology but it's was all pretty mixed up together and influenced by each other since they where trading and fighting with each other. But that wasn't really the point.
[−] krapp 43d ago
The Nazis were obsessed with a fictional occult quasi-mythology of the "Aryan" race that heavily appropriated Norse mythology and symbolism. The SS symbol was a pair of sun runes for instance.

I think they appropriate Tolkien (who despised the Nazis and their corruption of "Germanic" ideals and Norse mythology) because a lot of them are nerds who don't read too deeply into it, like how right-wingers and conservatives enjoy Star Trek while being completely oblivious to its progressive ideology.

[−] Arubis 43d ago
Venkat Rao noticed this and turned it into a rather excellent essay: https://contraptions.venkateshrao.com/p/discworld-rules

> The Lord of the Rings is a great story, but I have to say, I’ve never understood the strange hold it seems to have on the imagination of a particular breed of technologists.

> As a story it’s great. It is pure fantasy of course (in the Chiang’s Law sense of being about special people rather than strange rules), full of Chosen Ones doing Great Man (or Great Hobbit) things. As an extended allegory for society and technology it absolutely sucks and is also ludicrously wrong-headed. Humorless Chosen people presiding grimly over a world in terminal decline, fighting Dark Lords, playing out decline-and-fall scripts to which there is no alternative, no Plan B.

[−] throw-the-towel 43d ago
Ah, the nerds, always itching to build the Torment Nexus from the classic novel Don't Build the Torment Nexus.
[−] postsantum 43d ago
It's not hard to imagine what elf-rights were thinking of humans. Perhaps they even had a slur or two
[−] cluckindan 43d ago
I thought the name is a Max Payne reference.
[−] realreality 43d ago
It's been working well for me as a kind of poor-man's tailscale, connecting several VPS and several laptops.
[−] Karrot_Kream 43d ago
Does anyone run private services for themselves on Yggdrasil by allowlisting specific IPs and piggybacking on the routing layer? I've thought about doing this but haven't tried it.

I wish TLS behaved better with private networks but I around certificates continues to mostly be oriented around the Internet.

[−] kls0e 42d ago
Mesh Network Lab: Emulate routing of Babel, Batman, OLSR, BMX, Yggdrasil & CJDNS

https://github.com/mwarning

This project by mwarning42 is meant to test Mobile Ad-Hoc Mesh routing protocols. Out of the box supported are Babel, B.A.T.M.A.N.-adv, OLSR1, OLSR2, BMX6, BMX7, Yggdrasil and CJDNS.

[−] Animats 43d ago
Not to be confused with the Yggdrasil Linux distro.

(Sometimes being first doesn't help.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil_Linux/GNU/X

[−] woleium 43d ago
it’s been “new” fir as long as i have known about it, over 5 years or so? or is this a different thing?
[−] lokar 43d ago
That is a remarkably content-free website. I tried (I think) all of the obvious pages, but still don't know in any detail, how do they handle routing differently from the normal internet.

Can anyone explain? They complain that routing on the internet is (somewhat) hierarchical to scale, but then don't explain their solution to the same problem(s).

The simplified choice has always been distance-vector, or link state. Are they a better attempt at one of these? Some new idea?

[−] ajvs 43d ago
Was evaluating this recently, the lack of NAT busting was a dealbreaker.