Memo: A language that remembers only the last 12 lines of code (danieltemkin.com)

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[−] dcre 43d ago
How exciting, I get to be the pedant: it’s “stream-of-consciousness,” not “stream-of-conscious.” Conscious is an adjective; there can’t be a stream of it.
[−] rendall 43d ago
I see your pedantry, and raise it one more!

Through substantivization one can definitely have stream-of-. Think "a stream of blue" or "a stream of the poor".

People often shave off the tail of well-known expressions:

“same difference” → “same diff”

“no big deal” → “no big”

“It’s no big.”

“fair enough” → “fair”

“Fair.”

“good enough” → “good enough” → “good”

“Yeah, that’s good.” (implies good enough)

“I don’t know” → “dunno”

[−] latexr 43d ago

> People often shave off the tail of well-known expressions

Though typically not in writing, that’s more of a speech thing.

[−] psychoslave 43d ago
On the other hand English is highly imbued with lake of morphological inflection and other explicit lexicalization by grammatical type. So this is really just following the main stream tendency.
[−] efilife 43d ago
I think the same when I see "your subconscious". No, it should be "your subconsciousness"
[−] MoltenMan 43d ago
But being 'conscious' of something is being aware of it; your 'subconscious' is the part of your brain 'below' your awareness (although it is true that it's also below your consciousness! So perhaps both would work)
[−] dcre 42d ago
Indeed, in Freud the word is _Unbewusstsein_, which is literally more like "being-unconscious," but a more natural English translation would be unconsciousness.
[−] globular-toast 43d ago
This is how British people feel every time we read "full-featured".
[−] OJFord 43d ago
And every other adverb! I often find myself shouting (not necessarily audibly) 'ly!' at American TV/movies/podcasts etc.

It's 'real annoying'.

[−] user3939382 42d ago
Are you for reals?
[−] OJFord 42d ago
That's an example of something different.
[−] nofriend 43d ago
It's a noun too
[−] fc417fc802 43d ago
I was about to object that the latter is not in fact a noun but was surprised to see that wiktionary lists it as such. However it provides no usage examples and I strongly suspect it is in error.
[−] sheept 43d ago
I think it is occasionally used with "the," i.e. "the conscious" (referring to the conscious part of your body, for example). Adjectives sometimes become nouns this way, like "the poor"
[−] thaumasiotes 43d ago
I searched the Corpus of Contemporary American English ( https://www.english-corpora.org/coca/ ) for 'conscious_n', which means the token "conscious" with a 'noun' part-of-speech tag.

There are five results. All five of them are tagging errors:

If we scan to get enough info, then model the cells well enough, and have enough computers to run the simulation of the models, then the input-output of the emulation of the brain will be the same as the input-output of the original brain. It will act like it is conscious. [adjective, modifying it]

Well, first we work on working the body together, so that we can go places with both of us conscious. [adjective, modifying both of us]

Lady Bertram looks barely conscious. [adjective, modifying Lady Bertram]

In a few years, he believed, this institution would be needed in Ukraine, as new conscripts became more religiously conscious. [adjective, modifying new conscripts]

It is in this sense that Rahner means that grace is conscious. [adjective, modifying grace]

Examples 3 and 4 are so far from being nouns that they're being modified by adverbs.

It seems safe to conclude that in fact there is no nounal use of the word "conscious".

> Adjectives sometimes become nouns this way, like "the poor"

That isn't actually what's happening in "the poor". The position occupied by the token poor in that phrase can be filled by all kinds of things:

God loves everyone equally. The rich and the poor, the just and the unjust, the sane and the schizophrenic, the possessed-of-billions-of-dollars and the penniless...

Do you want to argue that "possessed of billions of dollars" is a noun?

We can apply our in-passing observation from earlier and contrast the fully-awake with the barely-conscious. Here, as above, it's impossible for conscious to be a noun, because it is being modified by an adverb. And it's... dubious... for barely conscious to be a noun phrase, because it is headed by conscious, which we know isn't a noun.

[−] fc417fc802 43d ago
Nice dataset, I didn't know about that one.

Is my impression correct, that in general "the {thing}" is a noun phrase without implying anything about {thing} itself?

[−] dcre 43d ago
No it isn't. Can you give an example?
[−] omoikane 43d ago
I think it's actually the last 10 lines of code, not 12. I just wrote these 10 lines:

   Remember A as forty-two
   Tell me about A
   Remember B as A
   Tell me about B
   Remember C as B
   Tell me about C
   Remember D as C
   Tell me about D
   Remember E as D
   Tell me about E
And you can see how it plots the dependencies as a graph on the right, which is kind of neat. But when I add the 11th line:

   Remember F as E
You see the graph being turned into a forest with no dependencies, because it has forgotten the root dependency A. Indeed, if you enter "Tell me about A", it will say it does not remember A.

Another neat thing to try is:

   Remember x as zero
   Remember y as x
   Remember x as y
[−] dlcarrier 43d ago
In my country, we call that an interactive shell.

Fun fact, if you run Python from a command line, with no options, it defaults to such a shell.

[−] addaon 43d ago
Needs a compiler for the Mill architecture.
[−] NooneAtAll3 43d ago
why does the knob in the top right corner do nothing?
[−] lexcamisa54 43d ago
reminds me a
[−] stitched2gethr 43d ago
This is intriguing.

On another note, I do not understand how posts make it to the top of the front page with essentially no comments.

[−] lexcamisa54 43d ago
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