> Notably, the rollout will be handled by an “intelligent” update system that leverages machine learning to determine when a device is ready to receive the update.
> Curiously, there seems to be a lack of transparency around how Microsoft’s machine learning system decides when a device is ready to receive the automatic update.
The open secret is that the LLM has been prompted to make the call and no human in Microsoft is able to interrogate why the agentic AI is pushing updates to some machines and not to others.
After all the stupid drama in the last few years, we loaded Linux Mint Mate on all my parents computers. My mom can't really tell the difference and my dad likes it.
If Microsoft is losing 65 year olds, they've got a problem.
Microsoft lost my 80yr old aunt and my two under teenager kids. My last hold-out at home is my son's laptop, which he needed Windows for a proctered exam (now completed). He's excited to soon be on the same OS as his other family members.
Project Ozone 3, Enigmatica 2 Expert, Nomifactory, GregTech New Horizons, Sky Factory 4, and SevTech Ages all run fine under GNU/Linux, is there some modpack that doesn't work?
If you can get bedrock working on it, I’ll be happy to follow your steps. None of their friends play java edition and it’s not compatible with their realms.
I did it. It’s great, I surprisingly like Linux more than both macOS and Windows. That wasn’t the case the last time I tried it.
Still, I don’t think this issue in particular is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If you’re using Windows 11 and connected to the internet there’s really not much of a good reason to not want the latest updates in my mind, especially as the OS really has matured nicely overall in my opinion through those updates. The early days were rough.
It would just be nice if Microsoft did a better job separating feature updates from required security updates and being consistent about policy overall.
The way Apple does it seems ideal. They have a yearly release and you are never forced to update. The previous two versions continue to get critical security patches. Their hardware loses OS support at a predictable rate.
If you never update you’re really on your own.
Apple has on rare occasions pushed ultra critical mandatory updates IIRC, like the one to resolve that Catalina root bug. But that’s rare, and it’s not a major release.
Even more critically, Apple doesn’t continually change their mind and reorganize how it works like Microsoft seems to do. Microsoft decided to do biannual releases then figured out that they can’t go that fast but still call every release “H2” but then these are separate from security patches but now we are forced to update anyway.
Just decide on something that everyone is okay with and stick to it.
Microsoft is driving more and more people away to Linux or macOS (as evidenced by other comments here). I thought they had recently announced that they would be trying to rebuild trust in their users, but evidently the Windows Update team didn't get the memo.
Ain't that the truth. My older desktop's DHCP and WLAN services no longer work. So either I reinstall Windows 10 or see if I can get what I need it to do on Windows
Other than taking longer to install, this doesn't sound materially worse than forcing any other Windows update on the same set of users (those whose update settings aren't controlled by Group Policy, presumably).
In particular, this change doesn't apply to Windows 10.
Do nontechnical users intentionally run older, unsupported builds of Windows 11 in the first place, and if so, why?
> Notably, the rollout will be handled by an “intelligent” update system that leverages machine learning to determine when a device is ready to receive the update.
Has everyone at M$ lost the plot? We need AI to know whether a version number is smaller than another version number now? What the fuck does this even mean?
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> Notably, the rollout will be handled by an “intelligent” update system that leverages machine learning to determine when a device is ready to receive the update.
> Curiously, there seems to be a lack of transparency around how Microsoft’s machine learning system decides when a device is ready to receive the automatic update.
The open secret is that the LLM has been prompted to make the call and no human in Microsoft is able to interrogate why the agentic AI is pushing updates to some machines and not to others.
If Microsoft is losing 65 year olds, they've got a problem.
Still, I don’t think this issue in particular is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If you’re using Windows 11 and connected to the internet there’s really not much of a good reason to not want the latest updates in my mind, especially as the OS really has matured nicely overall in my opinion through those updates. The early days were rough.
It would just be nice if Microsoft did a better job separating feature updates from required security updates and being consistent about policy overall.
The way Apple does it seems ideal. They have a yearly release and you are never forced to update. The previous two versions continue to get critical security patches. Their hardware loses OS support at a predictable rate.
If you never update you’re really on your own.
Apple has on rare occasions pushed ultra critical mandatory updates IIRC, like the one to resolve that Catalina root bug. But that’s rare, and it’s not a major release.
Even more critically, Apple doesn’t continually change their mind and reorganize how it works like Microsoft seems to do. Microsoft decided to do biannual releases then figured out that they can’t go that fast but still call every release “H2” but then these are separate from security patches but now we are forced to update anyway.
Just decide on something that everyone is okay with and stick to it.
Many subreddits ban sites for having clickbaity nonsense and it's high time HN did the same.
>Microsoft to force updates to Windows 11 25H2 for PCs with older Windows 11 OS versions
In particular, this change doesn't apply to Windows 10.
Do nontechnical users intentionally run older, unsupported builds of Windows 11 in the first place, and if so, why?
What? How could that possibly be beneficial for anyone?
> Notably, the rollout will be handled by an “intelligent” update system that leverages machine learning to determine when a device is ready to receive the update.
Has everyone at M$ lost the plot? We need AI to know whether a version number is smaller than another version number now? What the fuck does this even mean?
2. Keep your fucking OS up to date. At this point, there is no excuse for exposing unmaintained, unupdated code to the Internet.