What does ⍋⍋ even mean? (2023) (blog.wilsonb.com)

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[−] magicalhippo 37d ago
I see weird symbols like that I think APL. I haven't touched APL but I know weird symbols when I see it.

And checking the article... Tags: apl

[−] cocodill 37d ago
Aren't those the Twin Pines from Back to the Future?
[−] stirfish 37d ago
Did you mean the Lone Pine?
[−] cheschire 37d ago
You space bastard! You killed my pine!
[−] arto 37d ago
My very first thought as well.
[−] Qem 37d ago
Appears like the twin pines cooperativism symbol.
[−] semiquaver 37d ago
What does [APL] even mean?
[−] dbt00 37d ago
an obscure but very powerful matrix-centered programming language usually considered to be "write only", as in impossible to read what someone else wrote.
[−] kcroarkin 36d ago
Find the "write only" comments you commonly see online to be untrue. I have been writing a voxel game in majority APL code for the past 6 months. I have been able to read my own code and refactor stuff I've written months ago fine while also integrating code from other APL codebases and suggestions from other people. It just has a higher learning curve to understand.
[−] bossyTeacher 37d ago

> as in impossible to read what someone else wrote.

Can you even read what you wrote several years ago?

[−] dylan604 37d ago
Wait, isn't that what they say about perl?
[−] philipov 37d ago
Yes, perl is considered write-only because it is a mess of features that allow unhygienic programming habits to flourish - it is full of hard-to-trace magical behavior. Completely different than APL, which has had perl's write-only label applied to it by programmers not used to reading terse mathematical notation.
[−] happymellon 36d ago
They say the same about RegEx too.
[−] gerdesj 37d ago
40 years ago (at school) I generally wrote in ink - edged and straight nibs, blue and black ink because I liked it. I learned several formal styles as well as my idiosyncratic efforts. I did have biros and fibre tips etc available. I had loads of choice. My parent's generation was probably the last of the ink and nib first users.
[−] groby_b 37d ago
Very much not.

Its origin is as a mathematical notation for algorithms. It was used to publish research reports and (IIRC) a book or two.

You're confusing "possible to read" with "accessible to people unwilling to invest any effort understanding"

[−] jonahx 37d ago

> usually considered to be "write only"

Only by the ignorant and uninitiated.

[−] mikelitoris 37d ago
I’m sure you’re fun to work with
[−] jonahx 37d ago
I am!
[−] voidfunc 37d ago
Im sure _you're_ fun to work with. Get a sense of humor.
[−] zem 37d ago
"a programming language".
[−] philipov 37d ago
Not to be confused with b programming language, which is not its succesor, but is the predecessor to c.