The Mechanics of Steins Gate (2023) [pdf] (github.com)

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[−] thrownawaysz 40d ago
Mind you this is based on the games (S;G and S;G0) which covers much more than the series and spoiler-y so don't read it if you are yet to play the games.
[−] DaSHacka 40d ago
Never expected to see S;G on HN, can't believe I've never come across this before either.

Many thanks, OP

[−] mghackerlady 39d ago
I feel it's up there with NGE and Lain in anime I'd expect to see discussed here
[−] DaSHacka 33d ago
You'd think as much, but if you search the back catalog for Steins;Gate related threads, the majority die with only one or two upvotes.
[−] YasuoTanaka 40d ago
This is a really interesting attempt to make Steins;Gate internally consistent.

What stood out to me is that it's not really "time travel" in the usual sense.

It's closer to a system where:

* each world-line is a fully fixed history * only one is active at a time * changes correspond to switching between consistent states

So instead of modifying causality, it's more like constrained state selection.

That framing avoids paradoxes almost entirely, which is pretty elegant.

It also feels surprisingly similar to how some physical models separate:

* underlying structure (fixed) * observed history (projection-dependent)

Curious if others interpret it this way.

[−] spondyl 40d ago
For readers who are vaguely aware of Steins;Gate, you may be interested to know that it's actually part of a wider universe called the Science Adventure series (or SciADV for short).

Steins;Gate works really well as a standalone entry (and I didn't even realise it wasn't a standalone thing until a year or two back) but it's part of a loose overarching canon.

Most of the games have various errors but there's a translation group called Committee of Zero who not only retranslate all of the games (sometimes from the ground up) but also do a lot of technical work. They've been doing essentially a reimplementation of the entire engine as well, although I don't know that it'd be accurate to say it's a clean room implementation or anything like that.

For those interested, you can see the various patches here (https://sonome.dareno.me/projects/) and this guide should give you an idea of the ideal playthrough order (https://old.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/13cjnui/kurisus...)

I will mention that the first entry, Chaos;Head NoAH takes a while to get going (like a few hours) and gets quite gruesome towards the end (to the point that I wanted to quit) but once you get past it, the rest is all a lot tamer in comparison.

The whole series is a very long time investment as far as VNs go but I personally got really into the series and spent a few months(!) just getting through the mainline entries which culminated with the most recent entry: Anonymous;Code.

Without going into any details, there's a loose canon across the series that Anonymous;Code finally digs into and makes you look at the entire series from a new angle. It's a bit controversial but I appreciated it.

It's not really that clear what the future of the series is as there's a remake coming up called Steins;??? where it appears to be a remake but there's a bunch of fans hoping that it's more in the vein of Final Fantasy 7 Remake where there's really more going on under the hood.

There are also the anime adaptions but I wouldn't recommend them. I've seen most of them, and I'm really not a snob about this sort of stuff but just due to the medium of VNs (with multiple routes and that), they aren't able to successfully replicate a lot of the twists and turns at all which take time to build up.

It's pretty bizarre to me to have even stuck with a VN let alone played through like 6 over the span of like half a year or more? Honestly, I'm not even sure if SciADV is actually "good" or if it's just one of the first franchises in a long time where I haven't ruined it for myself by reading Wikipedia in advance. I think it's pretty good though.

[−] MindSpunk 40d ago
Not recommending the Steins;Gate anime adaption is pretty wild, it's an incredibly highly rated Anime series. The story telling language of a VN and an Anime are very different so it's no surprise they don't perfectly capture the complexities of the other medium. They don't have to be the same to be worth watching.

fwiw: no idea on the other anime adaptions quality

[−] spondyl 39d ago
Oh yeah, the Steins:Gate animes are perfectly fine to be clear! I was only thinking of the non-SG animes which are... pretty messy!

The Chaos;Head anime barely makes any sense, even having read the VN because it only got 12 episodes. I haven't finished Chaos;Child or Robotics;Notes which seem fine so far for C;C anyway, it doesn't quite feel the same.

There is Occultic;Nine which anime only in that the VN was never localised plus the game itself isn't on Steam so there's nothing to base a patch off of.

Anyway, take my thoughts with a grain of salt and not like some correct stance haha

[−] apt-apt-apt-apt 39d ago
Do you think the Chaos;Head anime could have been good like SG if it had had more episodes? Or is the fundamental nature of a VN story hard to adapt to a linear anime format?
[−] A_D_E_P_T 39d ago
It's actually the third highest-rated anime TV show of all time by user rating: https://myanimelist.net/topanime.php

And for a long stretch in the 2010s, it was #1.

[−] BoingBoomTschak 39d ago
Well, it's more because of its cult status (especially on imageboards) than actual objective appreciation.

Personally, I saw it again a year or two ago and it was good, but clearly (and not in a good way) a VN adaptation. Still worth watching.

[−] retrochameleon 39d ago
I get the feeling he was more so referring to the others, because the others besides S;G are pretty meh.
[−] debo_ 40d ago
~tuturuu~
[−] Philpax 40d ago
Happy 15th anniversary of the anime :)
[−] mghackerlady 39d ago
I stopped watching the show around halfway through, it got sad :( I don't have anything against sad shows, I like a lot of them, I was just having too much fun watching a group of friends do cool science things
[−] dokyun 40d ago
El Psy Kongroo.
[−] abetusk 40d ago
[−] apt-apt-apt-apt 40d ago
Watched the animes. Are any of the other stories in the universe worth watching?