Dear Heroku: Uhh What's Going On? (judoscale.com)

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[−] wavemode 38d ago
What it seems like has happened, is that most or all Product Manager oversight was removed from the Heroku project, and an engineering team was given ownership of the whole thing, for the purpose of ongoing maintenance.

But, paradoxically, this has given those engineers free rein to make whatever improvements they deem fit - including things they may have been blocked from working on in the past due to Product meddling and/or corporate bureaucracy.

(Not speaking authoritatively - this situation just, from the outside, appears to have a lot of parallels to teams I've been on that owned "Legacy" services.)

[−] msteffen 38d ago
Five bucks it’s this:

Management: “we’re going into maintenance mode”

Devs: “You mean we get to work on whatever we want?!”

[−] hanspagel 38d ago
100% management is gone, engineers took over
[−] msteffen 38d ago
Next week: “we are right-sizing the organization”
[−] bigotiddies 38d ago
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[−] collimarco 38d ago
I have built Cuber (https://github.com/cuber-cloud/cuber-gem) a few years ago as a replacement for Heroku and now we use it to deploy all our Rails applications on DigitalOcean Kubernetes. Extremely lower cost, better performance, less bugs, better support...
[−] anonzzzies 38d ago
Is Heroku that expensive these days? What are extremely lower costs? In my experience DO is hella expensive.
[−] cristinaibunea 38d ago
Northflank is by far the cheapest alternative
[−] ChrisArchitect 38d ago
The related discussion on one of the mentioned blog posts:

An update of Heroku

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46913903

[−] dangus 38d ago
The blog author isn’t understanding it but it’s quite simple: the product only matters in the context of large enterprise customers.

The large customers still get what they want as long as the ask isn’t too big and that’s why you see new features even though the product is in maintenance mode.

[−] bovermyer 38d ago
I long ago switched to Fly.io. It feels like the old days of Heroku.
[−] dizhn 38d ago
They might be dumping the last of the stuff that was already in the pipeline.
[−] elAhmo 38d ago
I don't understand who is still using Heroku today.
[−] nathanappere 38d ago
The experience of "you push, provision databases & dependencies in 3 clicks, and it just works" is sadly still unmatched.
[−] frollogaston 38d ago
Yep, even in the things that tried to copy Heroku
[−] fg137 38d ago
Maybe true in 2010 but not today.
[−] teeray 38d ago
Today, you get the more streamlined experience of push, 3 clicks to restart CI & container build, push 1000 yamls, click to restart the build again, cry when it all fails.
[−] fg137 37d ago
Similar services I have used that are not called "Heroku" must be doing something magic.
[−] cestith 38d ago
I understand Judoscale is a customer with apprehensions and is asking for clarity. That will definitely raise anxiety.

However, Heroku said they were changing focus. It’s entirely possible to change focus away from something and still do some of it. A focus on things other than new features doesn’t mean, necessarily, no new features at all. Heroku could probably save their customers and partners a lot of anxiety by being clearer and more explicit what they mean.

[−] N_Lens 38d ago
What a weird article that's microanalysing language in Heroku's blog posts. I mean times are such that pivot-churn is becoming business as usual for most outfits these days so I wouldn't put any stock on C-Suite verbiage.
[−] satvikpendem 38d ago
It's an ad for the author's service, that's how all of these engineering blogs generally are.
[−] ziovercel 38d ago
Heroku > Vercel. Try again HN
[−] youngtaff 38d ago
???
[−] bigotiddies 38d ago
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[−] slowvercel 38d ago
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[−] richwater 38d ago
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[−] guzfip 38d ago
Where have you been the last year? It’s much more explicit elsewhere on social media.
[−] sghiassy 38d ago
Heroku has been going downhill ever since Salesforce bought them.
[−] offmycloud 38d ago
I can't believe that it has been over 15 years ... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1982489
[−] 0xc133 38d ago
Strong disagree. They didn’t even invent buildpacks until 2011, the year after the acquisition.
[−] sghiassy 38d ago
Momentum??
[−] nextaccountic 38d ago
If they still had momentum one year after acquisition, I think it's hard to say they have been going downhill

Maybe we could say they went uphill instead for a while? Or something

[−] ubertaco 38d ago
In my experience, generally Salesforce takes a little while before they notice that they bought you and start imposing uniformity and forcibly regressing you to their mean.

This was a(n internally-)famously hard and lengthy process for them with ExactTarget (read: Marketing Cloud) because ExactTarget employees identified strongly with "ExactTarget orange" culture rather than "Salesforce blue", which mostly meant being appalled at the technical and process swamp that Salesforce represented and pushing hard to keep their own tech stack and their own culture and standards as long as possible.

Heroku had an interesting arc, as they were the bright spot people would point at internally as where actually good engineering somehow happene even at Salesforce. There was a whole effort to let Heroku be the business unit that paved the path to AWS and PaaS for the entire company (which was at the time operating datacenters themselves), and so Heroku got a bunch of investment and freedom for a bit.

Then there was some weird power struggle, and the executives inexplicably decided not only to take that out of Heroku's hands despite their expertise, but also to basically shove Heroku in a corner to be ignored unless stripmined of its customer base through upsells or its staff through reallocations of headcount.

[−] tnolet 38d ago
Actually the opposite: they came into their prime after the acquisition. Probably not due to Salesforce, but still.
[−] cyberax 38d ago
I think the downhill slide started when they introduced the "Private Space Peering". It is a wrapper on top of AWS VPC, but it was something like $1000 a month several years ago. It also was gating larger instances and other important features.

So few people used it. I guess this provided a negative signal to their management about the adoption rate of new features. And then everything eventually just died.

[−] 9dev 38d ago
It’s just in coma, slowly dying away on a respirator. Some relatives irrationally keep paying the hospital to keep the patient alive, but the doctors just wait until they can finally pull the plugs and use the bed for someone with actual chances of survival.
[−] elwray 38d ago
I think its impossible for the Herokus and the digital oceans of the world to survive in the cloud world. They might be able to create better experience for customers but noone can match the networking that AWS, GCP and Azure can provide. Low latency will always win over better developer experience.
[−] kaoD 38d ago
DigitalOcean is the Arduino of cloud.

True, it can't compete with AWS/GCP/Azure if you're large scale. But most of us are not large scale, we just need a no frills experience instead of dealing with 27 nested panels just to spin up a VM.

[−] arnvald 38d ago
Heroku runs on AWS though, doesn’t it? They just package it.

I don’t think it’s impossible for them to survive. Salesforce bought them more than 10 years ago and did little to support growth of Heroku. And yet they’re still around and people still ask „is there something new with comparable customer experience?” because they don’t mind paying more

[−] fragmede 38d ago
Vercel is the chosen replacement, I believe.
[−] petcat 38d ago
Vercel is basically just an AWS reseller too though
[−] anonyfox 38d ago
on the other hand modern tech stacks can process insane amounts of req/s for typical websites/services in a single shared vserver core. not your 2010 ruby snoozefest anymore. plus I can't even remember when a few decade old droplets needed anything from me and still host some things just fine with zero issues or friction or nagging at all. DO is the number one pick for me in 2026 still when the problem fits a droplet style deployment, full stop.
[−] interstice 38d ago
I've never found cloud anything to beat the speed (and price) of a well placed server.

DO has always been a bit rich for my blood though, and even a low cost hetzner VPS has less cores than I remember seeing at the same price a decade ago. I could be wrong there though I usually use Vultr for their SYD region.

[−] petcat 38d ago

> has less cores than I remember seeing at the same price a decade ago

Less cores but probably 5x more performance per core now.

[−] interstice 38d ago
This is more helpful when software doesn't just pin the first 4 available cores at 100% to get things done.