Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December (thehill.com)

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[−] jjmarr 36d ago
If you're a man that didn't sign up between 18 and 25, you permanently lose student aid in most states along with federal employment eligibility. Some even ban getting a driver's license.

In practice, it's young men of lower socioeconomic statuses that are failing to register. This is due to lack of knowledge or presence in the system more than conscientious objection. e.g. Prison or being homeless.

Many choose to get their life together in their late 20s and 30s, only to find out they can't get job training or student aid. These are legislatively mandated penalties and cannot be unilaterally removed by the current administration.

There's no clause for late signups outside of that window.

The only way out is to prove that you didn't know, which is difficult. There's about 40,000 people a year requesting the paperwork to appeal their loss of benefits.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/04/02/failin...

[−] ehasbrouck 36d ago
The burden of proof is on the government to prove that any violation of the Military Selective service Act was "knowing and willful". That's almost impossible without a public confession, signature on a registered letter, or testimony of an FBI agent who served an order or notice to register or report for induction.

According to the Federal Office of Personnel Management, only 1% of cases of nonregistrants adjudicated by OPM result in denial of Federal employment. Almost everyone who appealed a denial got their job restored:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2024-02-07/pdf/2024-0...

[−] linkregister 36d ago
Empirically, administrative hurdles are successful at reducing benefits claims rates. Florida found that understaffing their unemployment offices led to steep drops in unemployment benefits claims. The conclusion is only the most desperate people will tenaciously pursue benefits. Most will self-fund.

The merits of such a system do exist. However, the public will withdraw political support for benefits if the number of covered individuals is very low.

[−] subscribed 36d ago
Thanks, I don't like there and this is very important for context.

Thank you!

[−] Aboutplants 37d ago
I still don’t understand why, if they are having trouble with recruitment, they simply won’t raise the pay to entice more recruits? We have a seemingly unlimited budget for bombs but god forbid you pay for smart, qualified people willing to actually do the work. It is as simple as that and not anymore complicated
[−] owlninja 37d ago

> But former President Jimmy Carter in 1980 reinstated the Selective Service in the event of a “national emergency,” where the registry could be used to “provide personnel to the Department of War and alternative service for conscientious objectors, if authorized by the President and Congress.”

Department of Defense*

[−] superkuh 37d ago
Automatic registration means young adults will not have the consciously confront the possibility. This will certainly decrease the number of people establishing the paper trail that they are contentious objectors.
[−] rascul 36d ago
Conscription is slavery.
[−] worik 36d ago
And it comes around again. Constant war is great (yea, nah) when you're winning.

https://youtu.be/WOo13RnfaMc?si=zq58NDqm-9rdXHlL&t=17

[−] frugalmail 36d ago
I'm for this, but what happened to equal rights? What about women?
[−] bdangubic 36d ago
just follow the Commander-in-Chief and get yourself some bone spurts - problem solved
[−] ehasbrouck 37d ago
This article takes for granted the success of this attempt to "automagically" identify and locate all potential draftees, and doesn't mention the practical difficulties, the opposition, or the legislative alternatives.

Here's why this won't work and is such a bad idea, and why dozens of organizations have already issued a joint call to "repeal* the Military Selective Service Act instead of trying to step up preparations for a draft:

https://hasbrouck.org/draft/automatic/

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