Tesla reportedly developing new smaller, cheaper EV after killing Model 2 (electrek.co)

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[−] tapoxi 36d ago
It's a shame what happened to this company. I used to really want a Tesla, but now the brand signifies your support for Musk/DOGE, they killed half their lineup, and they keep mentioning that cars aren't the future as they aim for driverless taxis and robots.

At least they opened the supercharger network. My mom picked up a Cadillac Optiq and even with her being on the other side of the country she was able to seamlessly transition to an EV.

[−] verdverm 36d ago
I was able to drive across the US in the winter in an Ioniq 6 without using Tesla chargers. All but a couple were 350V, WY was the worst state (NY->WA), battery conditioning had charges ~200V for the first phase until charge levels became the dominant factor.

Ionna is 8 automakers building an alternative network

https://www.ionna.com/founding-partners/

Hyundai has their EV platform which has been 800V for a couple of years, future proof for the lifetime of the car considering how slow EV rollout is in the US...

[−] tapoxi 36d ago
Yeah I've had an ID4 for a few years and its certainly possible, but seemingly overnight the charging network doubled and its a net win for everyone.

Also, my mom is in her 70s, those CCS plugs are huge! I'm glad everyone was able to standardize on NACS.

[−] Toutouxc 36d ago

> All but a couple were 350V, WY was the worst state (NY->WA), battery conditioning had charges ~200V for the first phase until charge levels became the dominant factor.

Sorry but what? I can maybe understand “V” instead of “kW” (why?), but what does the second part mean?

[−] jdeibele 36d ago
EV batteries charge much faster from 10% or 20% to 60%, maybe somewhat higher than that.

Going from 20% to 80% typically takes as long as going from 80% to 100% and so standard advice is never to charge to 100% unless you absolutely have to.

Every model has a charging curve, which I've never seen a manufacturer provide but some reviews do their own.

[−] gramie 35d ago
That sounds wonderful. Our experience with an Ioniq 6 has been less spectacular. First of all, in winter the range drops from 520km to about 350km, and charging takes about 50% longer.

Then when we took a long trip we only found one or two charging stations faster than 10kW every 300km. Many of the chargers were not functioning, some were on private property (e.g. car dealerships) and closed on Sundays, and none of them were rated at more than 100kW (and typically charging at about 70kW). The ones that were 100kW often had one or more cars waiting for them, so our 90-minute charge could have taken double that.

The only exception was a Tesla supercharger station, but my wife refuses to support Elon Musk in any way, so that was out.

This is in Southern Ontario, outside the Greater Toronto Area.

[−] 4ndrewl 36d ago
It'll be a case study in years to come.

Dually turning the brand toxic to your core customers, and having a bonfire of a strategy around products.

[−] burnt-resistor 36d ago
Absolutely waste but with insufficient accountability. I don't understand how or why shareholders haven't sued him into penury. Taking political positions as a business figure is inherently fraught with risk, but then taking extreme political positions, openly flaunting drug use, and suggesting human decency is weakness is bloody weird and insane that will only lead to hubris. I don't want to know a CEO's religion or politics because these should be private matters.
[−] dzhiurgis 36d ago
I finally test drove friends BYD Sealion 7. Yes interior is very nice, soft materials, etc (to a point where it almost feels tacky). Drive felt much softer than my mid-gen Model Y (almost too boaty and rolly but thats is completely fine for a family car).

The software is not great tho, really misses the point and I can see why people hate touchscreens. No single pedal driving (idk perhaps they haven't enabled it), no phone as key, no profiles, engine start/stop button.

Overall I'd say people are sold on features without looking in depth what you get with Tesla. And Tesla still outselling any other brand here in NZ.

Hope I can try out Zeekr 7x performance in couple of weeks. I heard a lot of good things about it.

[−] RichardHesketh 36d ago
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[−] ramesh31 36d ago
It will still be $30k+ out the door, guaranteed. There's zero interest in making an actual affordable car when their margins are so high at that level.
[−] andrecarini 36d ago
My impression as a driver-in-training is that people are too complacent and forget they are handling a machine that could at any moment kill and maim you, your loved ones and random innocent bystanders. I wish we all were more responsible about it, and I hate the Tesla philosophy of going the opposite way (the touchscreen, the sorta there but not really autopilot, etc)
[−] klooney 36d ago
I saw a Cybercab on the 280 today, it looked kind of cool but kind of weird, too. I wonder if it'll be the same thing physically.
[−] microtherion 36d ago
Quarterly earnings will be released April 22. My impression is that in recent years, such rumors tended to cluster around earnings reports (which largely haven't been great the last 2 years or so), presumably as distractions.
[−] BonoboIO 36d ago
Yeah … vapoware like the roadster.
[−] devonnull 36d ago
File this under I'll believe it when I see it.
[−] cyanydeez 36d ago
Tesla is basically proof positive that the market, oligarchy and fund managers are all in the Epstein-sphere of influence. No rational market would suffer the type of business management and products that Tesla produces.
[−] linzhangrun 35d ago
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