France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech (techcrunch.com)

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[−] lionkor 35d ago
All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box.

All games I want to play run very well and mostly the process is just "install -> play".

If a game has an aggressive anticheat, like Battlefield 6 or Valorant, it will not work and you can forget about it.

Controllers work fine, so do some wheels and other peripherals, but a good number of wheels, pedals, joysticks, VR headsets, and other wild and wacky input devices might not work that well or not at all. It mostly depends on whether the software for them runs on Linux, runs in Wine, or is needed at all. Not sure about VR, but I know it was a bit dire 1-2 years ago.

If you don't play hardcore simulator games, and don't play one of the competitive shooters with aggressive anticheat (e.g. CS2 and other competitive shooters run perfectly well), you can just install Linux, install Steam or one of the other launchers, and just hit play.

If you're not sure, you can check the status on https://protondb.com.

[−] himata4113 35d ago
Well actually I've been technically playing all the games that are protected by these aggressive anticheats on linux since I've decided to switch.

My setup is a custom version of the linux kernel that 'backdoors' itself and exposes host information to the windows vm making all the anticheats happy enough to work out of the box. Have not gotten banned in any of the games either. Custom VMM and EDK builds are required to block blanket detections of virtualized hardware.

I repurposed lookingglass to instead stream all the wdm buffers as seperate applications that I can open directly in linux like they're native applications. The neat part is that I forward all the installed applications to KRunner which talks to the windows vm and launches the application there and spawns a looking glass instance for that applications assigned path.

The only downside that this is a two GPU solution and you have to run any GPU intensive applications in windows.

[−] esskay 35d ago
Yeah good on them, everyone needs to do this. It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic, buggy mess it is. "Easy" shouldn't be the excuse in this day and age. Big orgs and especially government entities should be hiring the people that know what they're doing and get off that crummy platform.
[−] Melatonic 35d ago
The age of the Linux desktop might actually finally be coming

Personally I think we are at an interim period for a big player to emerge and take over this space. If enough governments in the EU start switching over to customized linux distros theres a big chance for someone like Nokia to come in and develop their own approved distro with proper MDM and GPO-like management functionality baked in .

On top of that it could be great to see SteamOS continue to gain share and become more than just something people run on gaming purpose hardware.

And thirdly would love to see a more simplistic but super lean and functional OS built on something like the BSD.

[−] idoubtit 35d ago
The title is very far from the actual public statement that is linked in the article.

The French government announced that its digital agency will switch to Linux during this year. This is about a few hundreds of computers owned by the agency.

The second statement is that this agency is expected to publish, by the end of the year, a plan to reduce the digital dependency on the US. It's not "France to ditch Windows", it should be "French government promises to plan soon for possible ways to decrease digital dependencies, but calendar unknown". Also note that the government (and president) will change next year, so even if the present drive was real, a political u-turn could come soon.

Overall, this statement could be the presage of a major upturn in a few years, but I think it far more probable that the policy change will be minor. There's already a small tendency toward Linux and Free Software in the public sector.

[−] sylens 35d ago
Many government orgs have spent the last decade and a half slowly transitioning old legacy applications and platforms to browser-based alternatives. That old ERP software that used to require a thick client? Now it runs in Chrome. Microsoft recognized this and smartly moved to keep these customers locked in via an ever growing Microsoft Office bundle - subscription based, with Teams for their chat and then building up additional capabilities to extend the dependency, like InTune.

Where we are at now is that the pain of moving away from Windows is acceptable for many larger organizations and governments, especially those with flat or decreasing budgets. You can just swap out the OS layer and keep other processes the same - keep using Office with just the browser versions if you want, or move to an alternative (like EU-based). Teams works on Linux. There is no moat on Windows anymore

[−] ngomez 35d ago
Interestingly, Microsoft has been trying to get ahead of this for a couple of years now with their National Partner Clouds program [0], which they describe as:

> designed for scenarios where full ownership and operational independence from Microsoft is required

In France's case, Capgemini and Orange have a joint venture to operate datacenters that Microsoft runs Azure and Office on top of [1]. Moving away from Windows and Teams would still reduce their dependence on Microsoft substantially. But if the core goal is to reduce dependence on non-European suppliers, I would be wary of the French government buying services from "Bleu" when it's mainly Microsoft and a couple of consultancies in a trenchcoat.

[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/azure-sovereign-clou...

[1] https://www.capgemini.com/news/press-releases/capgemini-and-...

[−] Latitude7973 35d ago
France has been making good moves to achieve software independence from the US. It would be an even better move to allow those in Europe or indeed the rest of the world to also benefit.
[−] dleslie 35d ago
Canada has been using and developing FOSS for a while now.

0: https://www.canada.ca/en/government/system/digital-governmen...

1: https://events19.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017...

2: https://github.com/canada-ca/

There's still a great deal of Windows usage, but hopefully that will phase out with the passage of time. Canada's bureaucracy moves slowly, at the pace of generational attrition. It won't be until the last GenX retires that they could even meaningfully begin transitioning the average office worker away from Windows.

[−] faccacta 35d ago
It seems like what Europe really needs to do this is a viable mobile OS. It's been true for a while that Linux + LibreOffice is plenty to handle most government workers' needs on the desktop, but that's only good for when they are at their desks. Are there any viable alternatives to iOS and Android that are totally free of "dépendances extra-européennes"? What's the plan?
[−] morog 35d ago
I used Linux 10 years ago, but then due to job or corp. and needing Teams and Outlook I was forced to uses Windows. Now with corp job over I was finally able to switch to Linux this week (Fedora + KDE). Loving improvements made in the last 10 years, KDE will always have its quirks, but it is fast and smooth with no crashes yet. I got Claude to make me a migration script which worked brilliantly, haven't needed to boot Windows yet. Browser sessions and everything worked like nothing had changed. All my various ssh / putty configs migrated to Konsole, Thunderbird carries on like nothing has changed. Ahhhh freedom!
[−] benterix 35d ago
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if American companies started using it if the French get it right. The instability of the current administration is one thing, but Microsoft disregard for its user deserves an appropriate response that will actually hit them where they care.
[−] BLKNSLVR 35d ago
I hope it succeeds and I hope they document the experience and invite interested parties to see how it was setup and how (well) it works in order to encourage as many governments and organisations as possible to do the same.
[−] yibers 35d ago
I am saying this as a very long time Windows user, and it saddens me. Politics aside, from a pure technichal, functional, privacy and UX perspective, the case for changing over from Windows to Linux is getting stronger by the day.
[−] harlequinetcie 35d ago
I find fascinating how so many people are moving away from Microsoft decades after they should have because of simply the inertia that large organizations have on adoption.

Above all, I'm also surprised on how those same organization are using Anthropic or OpenAI or other close source solutions for their agent harnesses instead of going for Open Source.

Malte just yesterday showed how powerful innovation with small teams can be achieved particularly in EU.

I hope they start looking for those alternatives too for their agentic systems, beyond using pi-mono.

[−] sega_sai 35d ago
I think France seem serious in actually switching to open source/EU software. I recently had a telecon on Visio (France's Teams/Zoom substitute) and it worked well in a browser with ~ 10 participants.
[−] MegagramEnjoyer 35d ago
I applaud France for this decision. Windows is basically legal spyware and adware at this point
[−] Teever 35d ago
I’ve commented on this before but you’ll know France is serious when there are Linux ports of Solidworks and Catia.

France has a real edge over American companies by being the dominant player in the CAD world, it’s always surprised me that they nerfed that advantage by tying to an American operating system.

[−] spiderfarmer 35d ago
Being dependent on US tech feels the same as when we were dependent on Russian energy: strategically unwise and avoidable. We have alternatives, they just need work.
[−] derfurth 35d ago
It would be great, however the title is misleading: the only announcement regarding linux desktop is that the DINUM - a relatively small but perhaps influential government agency pledges to leave Windows.

I believe the largest Linux Desktop initiative in France is GendBuntu[1] for the National Gendarmerie

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu

[−] VadimPR 35d ago
Anyone here familiar with the details of GendBuntu[1], the Ubuntu distro used by the French Gendarmerie? I'd love to hear what is working and what isn't on the ground.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu?useskin=vector

[−] 21asdffdsa12 35d ago
There should be a chapter in economic books on how entrenched monopoly companies become on the inside, like small states where little companies (called departments) play freemarket for promotion points, the outside forces completely suspended while the endoplasmic reticulum of the monopoly company lasts.
[−] gib444 35d ago
Efforts like this are good for people to realise there is a lot of talent in Europe that just gets overshadowed by USA's dominance.

USAians tend think everything is less popular in Europe simply because it is inferior and fails purely on its technical merits. I know nothing will ever change their minds, but at least non-European non-USAians might recognise the efforts a bit more.

We are also willing to accept 'good but not perfect' and understand tradeoffs.

[−] JaggerJo 35d ago
Hope we’ll do the same in germany.
[−] sherburt3 35d ago
I'm sure there's a barely functioning business critical app that runs exclusively on Windows NT in their administration that would beg to differ
[−] aucisson_masque 35d ago
Side note but I had absolutely no idea that the USA sanctioned international justice court judges because they had put an arrest warrant on Benjamin Netanyahu.

Its not a surprise from Russia but the USA. I guess we’re right to cut all bridges as fast as possible with the USA.

[−] sjdv1982 35d ago
I am actually a research engineer paid by the French government. They take digital sovereignty pretty serious over here, which is sometimes good, sometimes less so.

Definitely the right call on Windows, though. Even my parents (in their mid-seventies) moved to Linux this year.

[−] guenthert 35d ago
I puzzles me to no end why the typical office clerk should care about the OS at all. I understand that secretaries will be trained on MS Word and will then have a strong preference to use such (or at least something which very closely resembles it). Same for accountants with Excel. But clerks in e.g. Revenue Service? Those I expect to interact (perhaps these days via a Web interface) with custom software. Why would those ever see a 'Start' button or somesuch?
[−] tedggh 34d ago
I think this has been attempted many times before by other nations including Brazil without success. It’s one thing to replace a few hundred workstations in a non critical governmental office, another to replace the entire infrastructure of a government which also collaborates with the private sector. Usually these projects start with a lot of passion then die off when can’t justify the investment.
[−] jaspanglia 35d ago
Wish it would succeed, other day was reading about stuff and figure out, how much European Tech is actually controlled by American/Israeli Hegemony.
[−] looksjjhg 35d ago
It’s quite remarkable what the current administration have “achieved” in a year or so
[−] liendolucas 35d ago
All countries should follow suit.

Nations and individuals can't depend or be held hostages of a handful of companies on the other side of the Atlantic that have the will to do whatever they want with their customers data.

This is the right path to follow and wish that in upcoming years this initiative becomes a reality across the globe. Long success for Linux and all BSDs!

[−] hereme888 35d ago
Hopefully the rest of the world can benefit from their efforts. I hope the whole EU starts moving to Linux.
[−] Frieren 35d ago
Europe in general have great software engineers. What it lacks is investment. To see the goverment serving its own country instead of foreign billionaire interests is good change of pace.

And Linux development and adoption helps everybody not just France. A win win.

[−] supliminal 35d ago
I think the commentary here is mostly in agreement, we are just debating the finer points.

This should have happened already, is the general theme. I still have my Shrike CDs around and the modern-day Fedora (I think 44 is about to launch next week?) is more than sufficient for many, many use cases within the government, regardless of which distro they end up with.

My hope is that the backing of EU software development teams to open source will lift all boats and in addition to Linux, BSD may get some fruits of labor out of it.

9front as always is to be strictly forbidden without a security clearance.

[−] OtomotO 35d ago
I've been on Linux (I use Arch btw) since 2011.

I've been dual booting the first couple of years, then dumped Windows completely in 2016.

Since then I am on Linux only. Private and corporate.

Yes, sometimes I need to access a Windows machine or do work in one (I am my own boss), but then the client pays a "pain tax" as I call it.

There are some games I can't play I would've played in the past. Mostly competitive online games.

Technically that's annoying, but for me personally it's not a problem as I am not in my teens of twenties anymore and I have other hobbies and obligations.

[−] apatheticonion 35d ago
Hopefully this results in investment in desktop environments and Wine!
[−] Jyaif 35d ago
Unless you need some windows-only software, using windows at this point is masochism. I was never a fan of Linux, but the Microsoft driven enshitification is so strong that Linux is now a better option. To win, all Linux had to do is stand still, and that's exactly what it did! Ubuntu in 2026 is pretty much the same as Ubuntu from 2006.
[−] tom-blk 35d ago
Got my full support, go go go!!!
[−] diogenes_atx 34d ago
From the perspective of systems administration for large enterprise networks, it seems unlikely that Linux desktops could replace Windows PC's without a domain controller like Microsoft Active Directory. Am I missing something here? How is it possible to manage a large enterprise network with hundreds, or even thousands, of desktop workstations without a domain controller?
[−] moron4hire 35d ago
I wish the US Government would do the same
[−] vfclists 35d ago
Will the French government view open source software as software which should be well-funded and well structured, ie Blender level quality and organization, or are they going to underfund it and thus have it succumb to the shenanigans of Redhat, aka IBM, the infamous pushers of Gnome and Wayland?
[−] motbus3 35d ago
This should have been done years ago. This will certainly drive bad actors to harm Linux too unfortunately
[−] schnitzelstoat 35d ago
It's a good move. Hopefully, they stick with it. I remember some cases in Germany where they switched and then later switched back.

It's a shame that we have no equivalent to Google or AWS in Europe and now that it seems LLMs might eat search, we don't have any of those either.

[−] frugalmail 35d ago
Any closed source, centralized system is going to be higher risk than an open source distributed system that can be independently verified and audited by multiple parties.

You just have to be willing to put in the investment to verify/review with parties that meet your needs.

[−] a-dub 35d ago
hmm. hoping that all the weird business requirements get confined to a specific distro with careful gating prior to upstreaming. it would be bad if they were allowed to pollute the ecosystem more generally (which one could argue is why windows is the way it is).
[−] shafiemoji 35d ago
Wish the Bangladeshi government did this instead of relying on pirated copies of Windows 7
[−] laughing_man 34d ago
I don't know why any state or large company would tie itself to Windows. All the applications that used to justify just getting whatever Microsoft produced next are web based now.
[−] LightBug1 35d ago
Excellent move. Hopefully these moves continue the trend spreading through Europe.

With another 3 or so years with the Orange Dildo in charge, there's a decent chance the momentum will turn into something tangible.

[−] socketcluster 35d ago
Great to see France purging itself of corruption. Why did they pay for an inferior product for so many decades when a superior free alternative was available? It was regulatory capture; corruption.
[−] Eldodi 35d ago
French administration is about to become even more inefficient it was!
[−] nxm 35d ago
It’s getting downvoted, but I agree it’ll become a bureaucratic mess.
[−] xandrius 35d ago
My main reasons not to be able to fully switch 100% to Linux are the following:

1. Graphic design software is subpar (expecially when compared to mac) and very often under supported. And GIMP has absolutely the worst UX of any program I've ever seen for such a widely recommended software. 2. Gamedev (i.e. Unity) is much less stable and annoying to work with (mac is much better but Windows still wins) 3. Older hardware support, most of the times you can use a super old software (say a printer) and it works. Linux much better than mac for this, from my experience 4. Lots of things on Win are plug and play, Linux is a pain of custom drivers from dead githubs. Mac slightly better or worse, it might either exist as a stupidly expensive application or have to jump hoops to get a driver in.

And I know people say "just use Wine" or "GIMP is actually great and free" but at the end of the day, I want my main driver to be stable and good to use. If anytime I save a project running via Wine has a non 0% chance of it crashing and bringing down my entire work, it's not going to happen.

I do use and recommend Linux quite extensively but that's why I always have 3 different systems at any given time:

1. Win: gamedev, hardware stuff or bigger games, some design, GPU heavy work. 2. Mac: design, light GPU work, browsing and portability (battery life and cooling is fantastic) 3. Linux: everything else

This hasn't changed in the past 10+ years, even though now I can see much more gaming happening on Linux, which is very nice.

[−] ksec 34d ago
Rust + Linux. It is brewing, and that is what Government around the world wants.

But not FreeBSD, C, Go, or others.

Basically Government doesn't want MIT / BSD, they want GPL and AGPL.

[−] ChrisArchitect 35d ago
[−] tsoukase 35d ago
It's extremely difficult to compete with the US SW companies. Their products are so engaging and attractive that anyone till up to the leaders are tempted to use. It's not surprising that EU's attempt to de-USAisation happens with Linux/OSS and not with an in-house prop SW because it's unable to write one. Also it doesn't happen without cries and pain. We speak for an endeavour to bring a 90% share of a beloved product to 3% and vice versa for a nerdy "cold" one. I keep a long lasting pop corn bag to follow the numbers.
[−] throw88555 35d ago
Every nations should avoid US based products and services. USA, China and Russia are rogue states. they pose a great risk to every other nation
[−] gengstrand 34d ago
From the article.

The French government did not provide a specific timeline for the switchover, or which distributions it was considering.

Got to be Mandrake right?

[−] zoobab 35d ago
What they should launch is an abuse of dominant position on the desktop/laptop market, with appropriate remedies such as fines.
[−] 999900000999 35d ago
What are my options if I want an independent phone OS ? Can I go into a store in Paris and buy an independent phone ?
[−] simmerup 35d ago
Switched to Nobara after getting fed up with one too many Windows bugs. Been a really pleasant experience to be honest
[−] wslh 35d ago
I hope they also help in improving battery management on Linux notebooks, even pressing vendors via regulations.
[−] oscord 35d ago
Ditch iOS and Android for a Blackberry OS / Nokia ? Really, are there any alternatives?
[−] self_awareness 35d ago
It's kind of good news, but it's also bad news -- with Linux popularity, crapware will be more popular. I kind of liked times when Linux was used only by power users. Today it's slightly different, and with more popularity... we get things like age verification in systemd.

But well, I can always switch to FreeBSD I guess. And that's my plan B.

[−] mrtksn 35d ago
Prediction: If USA ends up attacking EU, EU will freeze all the US tech company money and compel them to open their platforms and move all the backend services to EU soil in exchange of unfreezing it and continue operating in a free but regulated market.

For example locked communication devices are huge national security risk, so Apple will have their money frozen and given two options:

1) Open up iOS etc, bring all the servers to EU. Continue business as usual, EU financial institutions may choose to use Apple services as Apple pay but they may choose to bypass it. EU developers may choose to use Apple App Store services and pay the Apple's fees or they may choose to bypass it. Apple may chose to make Xcode a paid software, developers may choose not to purchase Xcode and use other non-Apple tools and pay nothing to Apple.

2) Use credit against the frozen money to refund your users if they bring their devices to you. All the Apple devices will be locked out from EU mobile providers(technically very easy for iPhone, simply by blocking devices with Apple IMEI on EU networks) and any remaining devices of the users will be refunded with the Apple's money. After some grace period, any money remaining in Apple's account will be transferred to Apple and if Apple wants to do business in EU again will have to do the option 1.

I'm bit on the doomer side of things, so I think that if Trump keeps his current course and power, at the end of the term American software industry will shrink by %90 as it will be expelled from most of the world and will be serving to 350M people instead of 8B people. Its amazing how US is screwing up its dominant position in this incredibly lucrative industry that lets them serve a market of 8B people and accumulate huge wealth in the process.

[−] UK-Al05 35d ago
These are almost always negation strategies rather than serious initiatives.
[−] haritha-j 35d ago
Ah Windows. The Temu wine.
[−] 1970-01-01 35d ago

>The French government did not provide a specific timeline for the switchover, or which distributions it was considering.

Do they realize they need to pick a LTS distro now? You can't mix and match distros without having a massive IT and user retraining budgets.

[−] michaelashley29 35d ago
been a long time coming for windows. wonder who else will follow suit
[−] shevy-java 35d ago
At the least the french government has a plan. Now please have a look at Germany - the current leading guy is absolutely clueless as to what he wants to do. From appeasing Trump to ... actually doing what else? Germany with regards to its politicians is a problem for the EU. Yes, we also have Hungary etc... but it's a small country that is over-hyped by the media due to its intrinsic corruption in the leadership; the real problem really is Germany. In the past it always was "too much bureaucracy" - the problem goes much deeper. The THINKING process in Germany is broken. France, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Finland, Norway (not EU but clever nonetheless) and so forth, are much better at THINKING. Something is broken in Germany and Merz is the showcase of cluenessness here.
[−] cicko 35d ago
About f'ing time.
[−] OtomotO 35d ago
France is doing many thinks way better than Germany.

This is one of them.

[−] lousken 35d ago
Now nextcloud and libreoffice should give up the stupid drama and focus on beating microsoft.
[−] josefritzishere 35d ago
We're going to keep seeing this due to destabilization and political changes in the US. It drives nationalization elsewhere, even among allies.
[−] heyflyguy 35d ago
man, that's great - but can you imagine some bureaucrat lifer having to adapt to this?
[−] CalRobert 35d ago
But will they use azure?
[−] hackerbeat 35d ago
Good. The US is gone.
[−] soggybread 35d ago
Honestly the only thing keeping me from bringing up the idea of moving to linux is that Windows has active directory and domain wide group policies - if linux had something similar that was easy to manage I'm sure a lot more corporations would move to linux. The ease at which I can adjust system settings throughout the company or within each department such as disabling/enabling features, mapping drives or printers. I haven't found a better alternative than active directory
[−] w4yai 35d ago
Vive la France !
[−] cynicalsecurity 35d ago
Vive la France !