Great at gaming? US air traffic control wants you to apply (bbc.com)

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[−] phoe-krk 34d ago
Please correct me I'm wrong:

> The ad also highlights the salary on offer to controllers, saying it is $155,000 (£115,000) after three years of work.

Unless the US government shuts down again, at which point you stop being paid, you are required to keep working, you have no right to strike[0], and the competences you've built across this job are largely hard to directly make use of elsewhere so the incentive to job-hop is low.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Contr...

[−] pjc50 34d ago
This is why shutting down the right to strike is a short term approach: you can't make people choose to start or keep working in your sweatshop, so eventually you run out of staff.
[−] phoe-krk 34d ago
> you can't make people choose to start or keep working in your sweatshop

If you're a government, you can; it's called a draft. The US seems to be preparing for it.

[−] pjc50 34d ago
Can't really corveé labour skilled jobs which require passing a lot of exams. Even in the military.
[−] defrost 34d ago
What you can do, at state scale, is pass everybody through a services training filter and sit them under the sorting hat after three months to winnow out skills and potentials of interest.

Some are clear rejects, some are good for getting up early and walking perimeters, others would suit the motor pool. An occasional few will gel for traffic control, signal intell, etc.

The trick then, for a state, is to incentivize with carrots, sticks, patriotic abstractions like duty, etc. the ones they want for the jobs they have.

Now its time for levelling up training.

[−] eesmith 34d ago
The characters in the movie and TV series MAS*H included unwilling civilian draftees who were doctors drafted to serve in the Korean War.

Doctors need to pass a lot of exams.

[−] general1465 33d ago
You can draft a doctor, from pool of doctors. You can't draft ATC, because there is no pool of spare ATCs. It would be like drafting air defense operators - there is no pool of them outside military.
[−] eesmith 33d ago
I'm pretty sure some of the air traffic controllers for military airfields in WWII were draftees, just like many air defense operators were draftees before the military became an all-volunteer force in 1973.

We know from the PATCO strike there is a pool of spare ATCs, including "military controllers, and retired personnel who temporarily returned to service". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Professional_Air_Traffic_...

Thus, retired civilian personnel is a possible draft pool for a skilled job like ATC which require passing a lot of exams.

That pool is small, certainly, but it was enough to break PATCO.

[−] johng 32d ago
If the recent news about moving lots of soldiers from EU Nato installations back home is true, they'll have a ton of trained active military ATC's available to use in the US soon.
[−] arvid-lind 34d ago
I think you've forgotten that the original post was about hiring gamers to do this job.
[−] probably_wrong 34d ago
I think people here may enjoy John Oliver's report on how bad the situation for air traffic controllers currently is.

Jump to minute 18 for a discussion on floppy disks or, appropriately, to minute 25 for an "honest recruitment ad".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YeABJbvcJ_k&t=1539

[−] spwa4 34d ago
No right to strike? So then we go back to playing high school games. Report in sick. Use one of the many tricks to actually be sick.
[−] eudamoniac 34d ago
You don't stop being paid, you just get your payment delayed.
[−] red_admiral 34d ago
I know this is culture-war stuff, but on the balance I think it's true that the FAA deprioritised applicants from the AT/CTI programmes, that is training courses speficically to become ATCs.

My main source is https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/the-full-story-of-the-fa..., and I'm assuming in particular that the screenshot of the letter in footnote 1 is genuine. In the section ended by footnote 16, there is a claim than in 2014 the FAA sent out just short of 3k job offer letters whereas in 2019 that had dropped to below 1k.

That sounds like cutting off your own recruitment pipeline.

It's also evidence that the FAA did not drop the standards for qualification and certification, which is reassuring.

[−] altairprime 34d ago
What video game on Steam allows me to practice air traffic control? How can I determine if I have a skill at the logistics of managing planes on a radar screen? Where can I join a multiplayer lobby where at game start we're assigned to either give radio commands to planes, or interpret radio commands and respond on behalf of planes, with at least two players for each? How does anti-griefing work in that environment?

If that game existed, I would try it.

Does it?

[−] flibbityflob 34d ago
Have they tried paying them consistently?
[−] MrMember 34d ago
Ten years ago the FAA was disqualifying candidates because the didn't say their worst subject in high school was science and today they're struggling with recruitment. Seems like a catastrophe of their own making.

https://kaisoapbox.com/projects/faa_biographical_assessment/

[−] latexr 34d ago
If you’re considering it, you should probably watch Last Week Tonight’s investigation first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeABJbvcJ_k

[−] altmanaltman 34d ago

> The Xbox one logo appears at the start of the video before dissolving into a montage that cuts between images of men playing various online computer games and people, including women, in air traffic control towers looking at their own computers.

> "You've been training for this," the ad says.

Wow looks like Microsoft were not kidding with their 'this is also an xbox' ad campaign. Also really console gamers is who you target for this role? USG is becoming a joke

[−] giorgioz 34d ago
After Theme Park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_Park_(video_game) and Theme Hospital https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_Hospital videogames now it's the turn of:

THEME TRAFFIC CONTROLLER

[−] gus_massa 32d ago

>

The ad also highlights the salary on offer to controllers, saying it is $155,000 (£115,000) after three years of work.

IIRC they are understaffed and must do like 60hs per week, so it's like $103K in a sane work position.

[−] londons_explore 34d ago
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[−] cyanydeez 34d ago
great at a skill but dont need money, ve disrespexted by politicians as pawns
[−] vinni2 34d ago
Where is the mighty AI when you need one.
[−] charcircuit 34d ago
AI should be able to handle the bulk of this work. "14,663 active controllers" is too much when you could have a single gamer + AI combo running it for multiple airports.