Microsoft isn't removing Copilot from Windows 11, it's just renaming it (neowin.net)

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[−] wing-_-nuts 32d ago
I have windows on my desktop pc because it's easier to get executable mods (downgraders, engine fixes, etc) working on windows than linux. There's also the matter of 'kernel level anti-cheat' games not working.

But if I just judge windows vs linux, on even ground, W11 is painful. I've main'd linux on my laptop for ~ 25 years. There was a time when it was a jank experience that I put up with for better devex, but that ended in the late 00's. From that point forward, unless you were trying to get bleeding edge hardware to work, linux has been hands down better.

It's enough that I've considered giving up online play all together just to have a nicer computing experience.

[−] californical 32d ago
I just run two drives - one with windows and one with Linux.

I treat the windows one as a console essentially, not even logged into my password manager or email or anything. It is only for games. Basically an Xbox, with all sorts of normal annoying UX, but it doesn’t matter for all of the ~2 minutes until I can launch a game

Separate linux drive for everything else.

[−] echelon 31d ago
Y'all just need to game on Linux when and where possible, to the extent that it is possible.

Be the change the market needs to see to adjust development practices.

Valve is doing their part. I get playing on Windows when there are mods, but if you can play a new game vanilla at launch on Linux - do it. It shows demand.

[−] ghighi7878 32d ago
I have a windows machine connected to my TV for games. Thats it. 1000 Euro machine with 500 Euro GPU. Also use it for govts windows only thingies.
[−] nomel 31d ago
I was going to go this route, but with all the GPU's sitting around in data centers now, you can get Steam cloud gaming for stupid cheap. I pay $10/month for 4k@120Hz (up to 80mbps video bitrate, they're experimenting with HDR), with my MacBook connected to my TV. It would take 12 years of subscriptions to equal the price of a PC, which is realistically more like 20 since I pause the subscription for months that I don't play. And, if I want to play some multiplayer game with a family member, I just add another subscription for $10, we play the game until they're done, then cancel.

I'll probably pick up a PC at some point, but this has been completely fine.

[−] trinsic2 31d ago
I think this is the direction they are pushing people to move towards. Cloud gaming on thin clients with out any ownership model. You are uniquely primed for the world. Owning hardware or experiences will be a thing from the past.

Hopefully I'll be gone by this point. This is not a world I want to live in. Feels like Bladerunner 2049.

[−] nomel 31d ago
It's not "pushing" as much as a bunch of companies bought a bunch of gaming hardware, in a frenzied AI panic, and now it's sitting around for cheap.

But, I think leased compute has always made the most sense for sporadic users like myself.

[−] dathinab 32d ago
Similar for me but I mostly play single player small studio games/no mods, and on Steam/Linux there are enough "out of the box working" games to fill all the time I still have left for gaming.

It's not perfect, but I anyway had the computer for other reasons and may need it for the other reasons again after which I would need to re-setup anything. Bazite default/w. SteamOS UI install + a minor number of setting changes (1) and a login to steam and it's ready to go again. Can't complain. Just which the SteamOS UI version would also do the same background download+apply of updates the main versions or distros like Fedora Silverblue do.

While not quite yet console experience, for many games it really is not "that" far away. (For some other games very much very far away, don't expect any competitive PvP games or games with real world money related online economy working. To some degree it's not even about anti-cheat not working on Linux. It's about many such games struggling making it work on Windows and having no room to bother with another platform, and dishonest managers potentially using "all Linux fault" as an excuse when the anti-cheating strategy failed on Windows where most of their players where... (happened before))

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(1): Mainly SteamOS UI is made for Handhelds and as such has some bad defaults for more powerful desktops (which likely will change soon). I'm only couch gaming on it, hence close to everything else just stays with default settings. Sure it's not fancy customized Linux or most maximal privacy preserving Linux. But it's in the "good enough" area of settings, privacy and similar, which Windows in many aspects isn't anymore. No fighting windows forcing things down your throat, weather it's Copilot, the nasty way it tries to deceive you into using it's online drive, etc.

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Oh and as minor tip: You can majorly micro optimize kernels, schedulers, drivers etc. If you don't need to, then don't bother. That is where unexpected perf. regressions, issues after updates etc. come in. Like you still find reports about Bazzite being slower then windows due to them having don that in the past and having run into an unexpected perf. regression on some hardware without realizing. I mean it is fun to tinker. But I'm in the "please mostly just work" age by now.

[−] marcosscriven 32d ago
I installed Proxmox on my main desktop - with GPU passthrough I can quickly switch to a Windows desktop for the rare games that need it (mostly VR).
[−] PeterStuer 31d ago
Does it handle ring-0 anti-cheat?
[−] dasyatidprime 32d ago
I've considered this for consolidating core hardware, but dual-boot doesn't do trust boundaries well. The Windows kernel still has full block access to the other device, so if it gets admin-level malware, it has free rein to infect the other system. At one point several years ago I got partway through a plan involving having most disks be externally pluggable (and assuming that firmware-level malware persistence is unlikely, which I'm not as sure about these days) but gave up for unclear reasons. I think if I were to try that again (and if I had the hardware for it) I'd try some kind of NAS approach to separate storage credentials from the OS.
[−] Neikius 32d ago
You could run windows in the VM. Pcie passthrough is a thing just be careful with the Mobo.
[−] dasyatidprime 31d ago
You could indeed run Windows in a VM with PCI passthrough, and for a while long ago my desktop was Xen and I ran a Windows 7 domU which was attached to a second graphics card. Sharing a GPU at least used to be much harder; I think there's better options nowadays than before (paravirtualization-style GPU-command-level passthrough devices, and I assume some graphics hardware supports being split up for partial IOMMU passthrough in the way some high-end network cards do), but I don't know how they stack up for gaming performance.

However, the use case under discussion touches on things like handling kernel-level anti-cheat requirements, which is exactly the kind of place where I'd expect you to get in trouble trying to jigger around with virtual machines. Even before that point, I get the general feeling games and game platforms can get tetchy when you're not on Real Recognizable Hardware.

[−] fsflover 31d ago
You can use TPM with Heads and a hardware key to ensure Windows can't infect the other partition.
[−] Gigachad 31d ago
This is basically how I use linux. PC plugged in to the TV running bazzite. No keyboard or mouse, just an xbox controller. The experience is so seamless now.
[−] tantalor 31d ago
Glad to see Windows is still treated basically the same as DOS, but with slightly better graphics and mouse support.
[−] d3Xt3r 31d ago
DOS had mouse support, going at least as far back as 1983.
[−] bigfatkitten 31d ago
DOS applications had mouse support. DOS itself neither knows nor cares what a mouse is.
[−] d3Xt3r 31d ago
That's an ambiguous statement, depending on what exactly you're referring to by "DOS".

If by "DOS" you're specifically referring to shell (COMMAND.COM), then yes, it didn't know or care about the mouse. But MS introduced DOSSHELL (in '88), which had mouse support (along with other later core applications such as EDIT.COM), and of course, there were other thirdparty shells too (like Norton Commander) which also had mouse support.

But if by "DOS" you're specifically referring to the kernel (MSDOS.SYS), then you may be surprised to know that even the Windows kernel (NTOSKRNL.EXE) doesn't know or care about the mouse - this is handled by other bits like mouclass.sys and win32k.sys.

[−] tantalor 31d ago
TIL
[−] wing-_-nuts 32d ago
That's ...not the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Now I just have to wait till prices come down on ssds again. While I can of course afford it, it wounds my soul to pay the AI / tariff tax on components.
[−] fhd2 32d ago
I typically install both systems on the same disk, different partitions. Then work with additional SSDs strictly for game storage. Only annoying bit is that some games _need_ to be on C, but very few in my experience. If you have enough space to shrink your Windows partition, that could work without waiting for an SSD. Though I guess the one OS per disk setup is ultimately cleaner.

Been dual booting for >20 years now. It's nice that some games work on Linux pretty well these days, and of course I had fun messing with Wine manually to get some stuff to work decades ago. But it really doesn't bother me too much to reboot when switching between gaming and literally anything else.

[−] keyringlight 32d ago
The issue that has occurred a few times is that some windows updates will decide that they 'own' the disk it's installed on or knows better than whoever is running the system, and overwrite any other boot manager with window's own and you may need to break out a live boot to recover it. Using a single isolated disc at OS install time (if you can have multiple physical drives) and using a motherboard boot selection hotkey means that risk likely goes away.
[−] pbhjpbhj 32d ago
I use BIOS boot selection to dual-boot. MS has broken it twice. I turned off SecureBoot now and just don't run games that require it.

Apparently you can get a mobo with switchable BIOS config (or was it just a switchable SSD?) so the OS didn't even know that there's a second OS around. If there's no connection of the other OS then MS can't break it [as easily]!

IMO it must be malicious, because otherwise it would be caught with remedial testing. I can't believe MS don't include dual boot setups in their testing.

[−] supertrope 32d ago
Microsoft got rid of QA years ago. If it was targeted sabotage they could break dual boot setups every single Patch Tuesday. It's just disrespect for users. Like how Copilot and other shovelware such as Candy Crush keep getting reinstalled every few updates, and privacy settings reset every once in a while. Dual booting is likely not even on their radar.
[−] vladvasiliu 32d ago
Many newer computers now have a rudimentary bootloader integrated in the EFI. Some are actually quite nice, allowing you to browse partitions to choose which image to boot. HPs have this. You just hit a key during uefi “post” and voilà.

The functionality is present on my new Lenovo laptop, various generations of HP elite/pro books/desks, old asus mobo and newer cheap gigabyte mobo, 7th gen intel nuc.

[−] dns_snek 32d ago

> It's nice that some games work on Linux pretty well these days

This description doesn't really do it justice. ~75% of top 100 games work well out of the box/with minimal tinkering according to https://www.protondb.com/dashboard (it varies a bit based on the rating scale)

Many work perfectly and many work even better than they do on Windows. Valve's work really changed the game over the past few years.

[−] GeoAtreides 32d ago

> Now I just have to wait till prices come down on ssds again

oh man, do I have some really bad news for you:

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/chart/SNDK

[−] miguno 32d ago
Steam is a wonderful boot loader.
[−] globalnode 31d ago
i have an old windows 10 pc for things that absolutely must run on non-vm windows, like guardian browser for example with online proctoring. but ive recently moved over to linux for my main comp for a few reasons. 1. steam has made gaming doable on linux and if i cant get it to run through proton or wine then i dont want to play that game. 2 microsoft pushed updates on me. 3. then microsoft pushed ads on me, 4. then microsoft removed any privacy i may have had with recall (they havent given up on it, just likely rebranded and hidden from view). 5. then microsoft forced slop one me. 6 then microsoft recently forced broken updates on me that made logging on a hit and miss affair. with all of these things going youd be forgiven for thinking im suffering from stockholm syndrome, and perhaps i was. but now ive got it in my head that im using linux no matter what, and if that means i cant play games or w/e, then so be it.
[−] connicpu 32d ago
For me last year was the tipping point, with Windows 10 hitting EOL I refused to move to the buggy mess of 11. All the games I regularly play are now nearly flawless in proton and games that refuse to run on Linux just don't exist for me anymore. Admittedly I already didn't play the kinds of highly competitive online games that like to use KLAC, so might be a tougher sell if that's your jam. Most of my game time goes to FF14 and GW2.
[−] lqstuart 32d ago
I switched from Windows to Linux because I got a Steam Deck, which caused me to realize that the only games in my library that don't also run flawlessly on Linux are the ones that have invasive anticheat that I'm really not comfortable installing.

Having to enable TPM or device integrity or whatever it is on my own computer just to run my own games is just too much power to hand to some garbage corporation that shits on its users. Rubbed me so far the wrong that way that I gave it up. The fact that Win 11 is no longer just an easy and hands-off solution that "just works" but is bloated with dark patterns and "AI" bullshit certainly helped cement the decision.

[−] brianwawok 31d ago
Have a Linux gaming machine with bazzite. Fantastic! So far any game I care about works and with AMD drivers it’s even stable..
[−] ljm 31d ago
I could tolerate Windows more if it stopped being a rental OS that thinks MS own your laptop more than you do. Like it was in Windows 7.

All I ask is that things I uninstall stay uninstalled -- I got rid of OneDrive and Teams for a reason, stop adding that shit back! -- and that it doesn't shove Edge and Bing down my throat and decide that MS knows better than I do about what I want.

[−] seabrookmx 32d ago
I assume this isn't the case with every machine, but every hardware I've ever owned (including the Framework 13, which has pretty good Linux support) has had worse battery life under Linux (mainstream distros like Fedora and Ubuntu).

To say nothing of the truly excellent battery life Macs these days get.

That's the only reason to avoid Linux on a laptop these days, IMO.

[−] d3Xt3r 31d ago
Have you tried a ThinkPad? They have official support for Linux and generally have excellent battery life. At least that's been the case for me on my ThinkPad Z13 running CachyOS. I did install TLP for better battery life, but TLP is a must-have for all Linux ThinkPad users anyways.
[−] Computer0 32d ago
My scrolling is screwed up everytime I try to run Linux on my laptop.
[−] HumblyTossed 32d ago

> That's the only reason to avoid Linux on a laptop these days, IMO.

Pop_os! with the system76 power daemon makes a world of difference on my tiny AMD powered Lenovo ideapad.

[−] wkrsz 32d ago
David Heinemeier Hansson reports excellent battery life on 2026 Dell XPS 14 with Panther Lake https://world.hey.com/dhh/panther-lake-is-the-real-deal-4bd7...
[−] pawelduda 32d ago
I repeat this story every now and then but I "maintain" a 18 years old laptop with Ubuntu (mainly for Internet) for non-tech savvy user. I put it in quotes because I just run apt update every now and then - that's it. Just works. The only bottleneck is how resource-hungry browsers got over time but it remains usable. Ubuntu was installed sometime back in 2017 and there was no need for fresh reinstall since then.
[−] MiddleEndian 32d ago
Anecdotally, my (smart but doesn't really care much about computers) fiancee was able to get all dozen of her mods for The Sims working on Bazzite Linux without any help from me besides a chmod +x to one script.

But we don't play any online multiplayer games, so YMMV on that one.

[−] tracker1 32d ago
I tend to run pretty close to the edge on hardware (9950x, 9070xt, gen5 nvme)... I've had a few issues with that in Linux... that said, I've been using Linux as the main OS on my desktop for a while now, and when I upgraded about a year ago, I ditched the Windows drive entirely.

I do have a Windows Server 2025 and Win11 VM running for a couple testing issues, but that's about it. That said, there seems to be a few integration issues on Wayland where the RDP client or the VM UI both will not intercept hotkeys like alt-tab, which makes it kind of painful to use the VM effectively.

Even with the rough edges in Cosmic, I'll still take it over the jank they keep addding to Windows.

[−] d3Xt3r 31d ago

>

It's enough that I've considered giving up online play all together just to have a nicer computing experience.

Why don't you play games that actually work online, instead of giving it up altogether?

Diablo 2/3/4/D2R/PD2, Path of Exile 1/2, Last Epoch, Fall Guys, Age of Empires, Forza, MS Flight Simulator, Quake 3/4/Champions, The Finals, CS2, TF2, Halo Infinite... there's a bunch more I'm missing, but you can certainly game online on Linux.

[−] baq 32d ago
Linux is missing good vm defaults (dirty_bytes etc.) - out of the box settings on the distros I tried are abysmal; both windows and macos are much saner.

Other than that, yeah, it's a royal pain in the ass. It's treating the user primarily as an upsell funnel.

[−] TheGRS 32d ago
Its always been a momentum thing for me, grew up on Windows, esp in my LAN party days. The guys running linux couldn't play 90% of the games the rest of us were. When dev became more important to me I would typically reach for something else because the windows dev experience always kind of sucked IMO (unless you were a .NET person, which for the most part I was not).

I have a spare laptop with Pop OS on it now and I'm really enjoying it. Kind of forget I'm on it sometimes. I'm considering putting it as my OS for my main powerful laptop that I play most of my games on.

[−] augusto-moura 32d ago
I usually don't care enough about the games that only run on Windows. Most of the games I play are 100% playable on Linux, even the online competitive ones. Never liked League, PUBG or GTA Online anyway
[−] johnnyanmac 31d ago
The only reason I haven't fully swithed to Linux at this point (because I'm very comfortable in it) is that my work pretty much requires it. Having the enterprise world in a strong hold to the point where important industry tools simply have zero/very weak Linux support feels like half the reason the fabled "Year of Linux Desktop" hasn't come to fruition. Many engineers and artists literally cannot afford to switch. Many other industries have too much data in servers or spreadsheets to efficiently move over.
[−] darkteflon 31d ago
The multiplayer stuff with kernel level anti-cheat - it’s mostly the kind of thing that’s also on console. I bought a PS5 for that and called it a day.

Desktop rig runs Bazzite and I’ve a Steam Deck. They play most everything in my Steam library with Proton (ymmv, of course). One of the last ones that didn’t work was Assetto Corsa - some kind soul here on hn helped me get it working recently.

I used to dual-boot Win 10 with Bazzite (separate drives), but finally ditched Windows 6 months ago. It can be done; a lot’s changed in the past couple of years.

[−] WhiteDawn 32d ago
Microsoft put AI, Tabs, a login portal, a 'search with bing' action and text formatting on notepad before a 'redo' button to pair with the 'undo' action.

That says everything about the current product priorities that you need to know.

[−] lemonish97 32d ago
From the article: "Additionally, AI features in Notepad settings has been renamed to Advanced features and it allows users to toggle off AI capabilities within the app."

I honestly don't mind this, as long as it's not being forced. And I believe this feature exists only within their npu PCs.

[−] rdiddly 32d ago
So they didn't remove it, they just renamed it? Reminds me of that time we fixed racism by renaming the master branch to main.
[−] avazhi 31d ago
Inevitably 90% of these comments are Linux users telling the rest of us how much Linux has changed and how painless it now is and yet in the latest LTS of Ubuntu my 2nd monitor doesn’t wake from sleep and half the time my monitor orientations get reset on rebooting. That is to say nothing of the fact that games themselves don’t even run properly when mousing between monitors (factorio is a good example). Been dabbling with Linux for 25 years and it still feels like some CS student’s half-baked side hobby project. I’ll stick to obliterating what I can of Microsoft’s AIDS through group policy and just use MacOS the rest of the time, thanks (although MacOS has its own serious issues these days, too).
[−] bachmeier 32d ago
I honestly don't understand Microsoft's AI strategy. It seems to be built around automating the writing process. If you ask MS 365 Copilot (as opposed to the many other Copilots) what it can do, it's deeply disappointing:

"Can you edit the Word document so the format is in line with these requirements?"

"No, but I can help you draft an implementation consistent with the requirements."

"Can you add this section to the 35 individual copies of this document in this OneDrive folder?"

"No, but I can help you draft [something]."

This is NOT the AI revolution anyone was waiting for.

[−] jmclnx 32d ago
No surprise for large companies, one company even renamed itself but its approval ratings still stayed in the basement.

A fortune 500 company I worked for renamed internal projects many times when the original failed. But they continued dumping money into those black holes. One dollar eating project was renamed 3 times and was on its way for a 4th rename when I left. That project was started between 2005 and 2010. I was not involved with it, but everyone knew it would fail.

So M/S renaming copilot ? I expect a few more renames as time goes on :)

[−] drooopy 32d ago
They’re doomed to repeat the cycle of reinventing Clippy every few years and always failing at it.
[−] andrewdubinsky 32d ago
Please let it be Cortana. Don't give up on her.
[−] luxuryballs 32d ago
I hope this is better than seeing that Copilot logo infecting every menu, I’ve had to use registry hacks to get rid of that thing.
[−] porridgeraisin 32d ago
The copilot executable and the edge executable are actually the same! It looks at argv[0] to decide which to show you. You can move mscopilot.exe to msedge.exe, it still opens edge. And vice versa.
[−] mikaeluman 32d ago
I have been using Windows on my laptop and been annoyed by how performance have really degraded.

RAM consumption on startup is 50% (of 16Gi).

I asked claude to help me remove bloat and was horrified by all the different background services and "enhanced" and "advanced" features that are always ON.

I don't think it's fair to say "no AI in any app", however. That should depend on the value delivered in the app.

But I do wish there was some honest restraint on all these weird OS services that no one wants/uses.

[−] benterix 32d ago

> At the start of the year, Microsoft generated a lot of goodwill among Windows 11 fans when it announced its big plan to fix the operating system in 2026.

Interesting, I can't recall a single voice "Oh I'm so happy they changed their corporate strategy" but many of "I'll believe it when I see it".

[−] cordwainersmith 32d ago
So they're reshuffling the branding again. At this rate they'll rename it three more times before most people figure out what it does.
[−] kccqzy 32d ago

> At this point, Microsoft is walking a tightrope. It cannot appease everyone since it also has its shareholders and investors to think about, but then there's also a rather large Windows 11 user base which really is fed up of AI experiences being shoved down its throats.

Are shareholders and investors stupid enough to think that AI hated by users is still desirable?

[−] lovegrenoble 32d ago
Moved to MacOS, chao Copilot...
[−] aizk 32d ago
Microsoft is collapsing under the weight of their own bloat.
[−] gwbas1c 31d ago
Seems like it makes more sense to keep "Windows" security and bugfix only, and to do new feature development, such as AI, in a newer OS.
[−] 1970-01-01 32d ago
Looking forward to seeing "AI for Copilot" released before someone at MS finally realizes they're idiots at marketing.
[−] jasoneckert 32d ago
I think we'll see this happen over time in all tools - individual AI brands replaced by generic AI icons.

The real question is this: While the floppy disk became the standard "Save" icon, what will eventually become the standard "AI functionality" icon?

[−] smrtinsert 32d ago
Deep copilot integration feels so intrusive. It pops up with your recent files. What if they were my bank accounts or api keys? Whoever thought that would be a good use experience should be fired.
[−] _HMCB_ 32d ago
Seems like what Apple does with Writing Assistant. At least in this case, it’s opt-in. You have to click. I don’t run Windows so I don’t know if this implementation is vastly superior or not.
[−] ChrisArchitect 32d ago
Previously:

Microsoft starts removing Copilot buttons from Windows 11 apps

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47722136

[−] protoster 32d ago

> At the start of the year, Microsoft generated a lot of goodwill among Windows 11 fans when it announced its big plan to fix the operating system in 2026

The only thing generated was boatloads of incredulity and some laughs.

[−] fuckinpuppers 31d ago
So they just started pushing the Copilot name everywhere and rebranding Office as Copilot and now they’re renaming/shifting again?
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[−] rbanffy 32d ago
Microsoft Live Copilot anyone?
[−] kotaKat 32d ago
It's almost as if Microsoft really loves to assault and abuse its users and claim its for our own good.

I'm tired of being a victim.

[−] 6DM 32d ago
I spun up an old laptop the other day and it has Windows 10 on it. I can't believe how snappy and fast that old laptop felt in comparison to what I've been experiencing on Windows 11.

Especially when you consider that the old laptop has inferior hardware to my newer one with twice the RAM.

I just hate using windows at this point.

[−] gverrilla 32d ago
Sorry if your a windows user, but you have no escape, only Linux. Until you get the time and courage to do the move, you will continually be abused by microslop.
[−] cdrnsf 32d ago
Turns out users don't want your AI features. But, sure, paint the dumpster fire.
[−] heavyset_go 31d ago
These fuckers put a Copilot key on my laptop and didn't even both to make it emit a unique mappable event when pressed, it's a key combo in one key when you hit it.
[−] scotty79 32d ago
If only there was a virtual machine I could run Windows in with full hardware passthrough, I think I wouldn't ever install Windows as main system anymore.
[−] kelvinjps10 32d ago
windos copilot will become cortana. (as a useless feature of the OS)
[−] shevy-java 32d ago
Didn't Microsoft say it will listen to the community, some weeks ago? And now it looks as if Microsoft did not tell the truth. To be fair: I think Microsoft actually has no alternative option. They sold out to AI and all Win11 users will have to support the hype train. I am so glad to have switched to Linux a long time ago.
[−] lovegrenoble 32d ago
Microslop? No trust.
[−] SilentM68 32d ago
I like Copilot. Don't hate any OS, Windows, MacOS or Linux. Just don't see much thought put into the design, engineering and User Experience aspect of some of these OS iterations. As far as Copilot, I can't see a way to exist without it because it keeps me off my mobile phone :)
[−] ChrisArchitect 32d ago
who of you is using Notepad for anything?
[−] josefritzishere 31d ago
I just want to be able to disable AI. Its just garbage. I do not want Clippy 2.0 inserting slop into my work product.
[−] themagician 32d ago
Please just make W11 IOT LTSC more available. Please. Pretty please?
[−] mring33621 32d ago
Welcome to the new FartPilot!
[−] NoSalt 32d ago
LOL ... of course it is.
[−] vee-kay 32d ago
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