For the first time in the U.S., renewables generate more power than natural gas (e360.yale.edu)

by Brajeshwar 178 comments 165 points
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[−] mekdoonggi 31d ago
Extending the life of existing power infra is low-hanging fruit for more power short term, but the economics of renewables are just unstoppable.

Article states 93% of new generation capacity was renewable which is good, but I can sense that nimbyism is growing towards wind and solar. Not to mention the animus towards China who has wisely cornered manufacturing of these.

The US has shot itself in the foot because of its energy dependence on its own energy source. The resource curse strikes again.

[−] knappe 31d ago
Some panel manufacturing has been moved to the US and is actually thriving. Qcells keeps growing, year over year and as of 2023 had expanded their US facilities to manufacture more than 5.1 GW[0] of annual production. I'm aware this is a drop in the bucket compared to the estimated 339 GW[1] of annual production in China, but we're also talking about a single manufacturer operating in an actively hostile administration and yet is still managing to grow.

Given this is the top comment on the article at the moment, I thought it was worth at least pushing back on this sentiment at least a little bit.

[0]https://us.qcells.com/blog/qcells-north-america-completes-da...

[1] https://futurism.com/science-energy/solar-energy-china-produ...

[−] leonidasrup 30d ago
It will interesting to see the effects of solar tariffs on four Southeast Asian countries.

https://think.ing.com/articles/what-does-it-mean-to-have-up-...

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/solar-dominates-import-s...

Maybe this will help to revitalize the US solar manufacturing. In Europe there is almost no solar manufacturing, just importing solar manufactured in China.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/us-mak...

[−] philipallstar 31d ago
I still don't understand the economics when it comes to power all the time, not some of the time, and I rarely see that being mentioned in this sort of gung-ho post. I want to feel how you feel - can you help with the specifics there?
[−] Amezarak 30d ago
The WTO found that China cornered the market with illegal dumping. Of course the investigations and punishments are too little too late.
[−] 0xWTF 31d ago
What's even more important is how solar, and to a lesser extent other tech, served as a gateway for China to accumulate electrical engineering, physics, and chemistry talent the US seems committed to offshoring by incentivizing universities to hire the cheapest available grad student talent (inevitably from China). We are training them and not our own.
[−] mchusma 31d ago
I do think the Iran crisis should continue to push countries towards nuclear + solar. Like Ukraine helped shift some in Europe back to supporting nuclear after foolishly shutting down reactors.
[−] itopaloglu83 31d ago
I wonder how good it could be if the governments offered the exact same amount of subsidies to renewable energy they offer to coal and petroleum, including indirect subsidies like distribution infrastructure etc.
[−] ike2792 31d ago
I don't think this article did the math right. In the linked source from the article (https://ember-energy.org/data/electricity-data-explorer/?ent...), in 03/2026 combined generation from hydro (26 TWh), wind (53), solar (27.7), bioenergy (3.82), and other renewables (1.51) is 112.03 TWh, vs 120 TWh for natural gas. It's still an impressive number but it is still slightly less than natural gas.
[−] dyauspitr 31d ago
For everyone confused by all the different ways, these things are measured. Here’s the simplest breakdown.

Total U.S. energy use: about 27.6 million GWh/yr

From renewables: about 2.5 million GWh/yr

Renewables’ share of total energy: about 9%

This includes the total energy usage, including cars and buses and propane for heating homes and like just about everything else. This is the number we need to maximize.

[−] aidenn0 31d ago
Fusion power has gone from 30 years away to just 8 light-minutes away.
[−] pulketo 26d ago
Curiosa noticia en medio de una guerra por el control de la zona petrolera...
[−] dxxvi 31d ago
But the energy prices (electricity and gas) don't go down :-( Then "renewables generate more power than natural gas" is not very meaningful.
[−] Ericson2314 31d ago
Good stuff. But I would blame the Trump admin more then data centers for coal power plants staying on line. Gas would substitute for the coal ata minimum otherwise.

> Nine coal power plants that were set for retirement last year have had their operating lives extended, including five in response to emergency orders from the Department of Energy.

Maybe the other 4 still stay open without the bullshit DoE order keeping the 5 open, but who knows.