Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45 (bbc.com)

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[−] Frieren 29d ago
We are told that we are in a state of preparing for war. When we will start restricting luxury items, unnecessary private jet travel, energy waste in crypto-currencies, etc.?

Because it seems that for being so obsessed to be prepared for war the only ones affected are the working class. The rich are just wasting resources away like if there was no tomorrow.

I just see austerity 2.0 to cut citizens rights, cut services to the working class and transfer as much wealth and power to the super-rich as possible.

I am all for Europe being prepared for war. That is a necessity. So, I am all for better health care, better education, less dependency on foreign gas and oil, better funding for goverment programs ... real measures to be prepare for the worst and less bending over to rich foreign interests.

[−] gadders 29d ago

>> Because it seems that for being so obsessed to be prepared for war the only ones affected are the working class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWijx_AgPiA

[−] jiaosdjf 29d ago
The only thing we can do is refuse to participate.

Europe no longer needs its people, our governments have demonstrated clearly that the average person is irrelevant and replaceable. Our industries have been sold off and outsourced, we no longer make anything except spreadsheets to enable globalists and asset stripping private equity parasites. Our history and diversity has been deemed non-sacrosanct, if some other country in the world can provide infinite cheaper labour then they are invited to replace us.

In a decade there will be no jobs even for the Uber imported class - we will all just be a burden on the super-rich who want to enjoy the European land in peace without so many people. Do not let them have this. Refuse to fight.

[−] UqWBcuFx6NV4r 29d ago
Private jet travel? Cryptocurrencies? You’re just naming things that you don’t like. The reality is that these are not large contributors.
[−] illiac786 28d ago
If that’s obsession you really need to read some history books. Germany is barely lifting a finger.
[−] pjmlp 29d ago
Look at any other war in human history, when was this any different for the upper classes?
[−] 0x000xca0xfe 29d ago

> I am all for Europe being prepared for war. That is a necessity.

Why? Name one scenario where EU needs a bigger army and masses of barely-trained conscripts.

If you say "Ukraine loses", why not spend all effort on helping Ukraine instead?

> So, I am all for better health care, better education, less dependency on foreign gas and oil, better funding for goverment programs ...

You do realize that preparing for war is insanely expensive and can only be funded by cutting all those other nice things? Also, what do we need education for if we actually expect many people to die in World War style ground warfare?

How about: Let's build some nukes, spend the rest of the money on Ukraine support, and forget about ground war conscription lunacy?

[−] guzfip 29d ago

> Because it seems that for being so obsessed to be prepared for war the only ones affected are the working class. The rich are just wasting resources away like if there was no tomorrow

In the US it was very fascinating to see the reaction to the Iran conflict. A bunch of geriatric pedowood actors and actual Epstein associates were seething that young men in general across the political spectrum who do not want to die in a pointless war of nothing in some god forsaken desert again.

[−] miroljub 29d ago
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[−] user32489318 29d ago
Ok Garry. Reference: (near-end) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IBsau5GlYcU&ra=m
[−] 09725290216 29d ago
I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women.

I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespected and devalued by the state that I couldn't imagine myself defending it, so I would either join a non-state-affiliated resistance group or flee the country.

If I lived in Germany right now (even as a woman, but especially as a man), I would seriously consider emigrating to a more egalitarian country as soon as possible.

[−] timokoesters 29d ago
Here is an official response from the Bundeswehr (German):

https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/organisation/zahlen-daten-fakte...

[−] tsoukase 29d ago
We are too far away from the last real war in Europe, which was WWII, and forgot how massive thing it is. Let's start saying that a war or a preparation for it is an experience that cannot be expressed wholly by words. Our current life doesn't seem to be anything like that. That's because, IMHO, the war shenanigan is a forced artificial thing, imposed by background global forces just to sell some more weapons and spread some fear and worry. Not much more will happen.
[−] pixelpoet 29d ago
Good, because I was seriously considering returning to NZ out of fear of being drafted into a war.
[−] PhilipRoman 29d ago
Hah, based on the title I assumed it was exactly the opposite - that it was the automatic approval that had been suspended
[−] dust42 29d ago
The law is still there though and thus its application can be resumed at any time without need of parliament approval.
[−] scoofy 28d ago
Perhaps a cautionary move for potential fallout from the Hungarian election?
[−] lifestyleguru 29d ago
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[−] flohofwoe 29d ago
This was pretty much a big media nothingburger.

The rule isn't new, it existed for decades all the way back to the beginnings of the Cold War. Nobody cared back then (neither the people nor the army), nobody should care now (there are no sanctions). I guess some journalist was actually reading through the consciption law (as probably the only person on the planet), stumbled over that passage and turned it into an elephant.

[−] dude250711 29d ago
How did Germany treat veterans of the previous major war by the way?