Apple accelerates eco progress with highest-ever recycled materials (apple.com)

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[−] tasoeur 29d ago
I really appreciate their effort to go towards more recycling, but to me a lot of this is completely moot as long as they don’t provide a stronger incentive to surrender your old devices for recycling. It’s actually really simple to reach $0 trade-in value due to absolutely silly things like a scratched display. Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free when even glass bottles are $0.5 when recommissioned…
[−] benoau 29d ago
It's all just marketing fluff, their 2030 goal is carbon neutrality but their gross emissions are 15 million tons a year and they only offset 70 thousand. They'd probably achieve more just by putting HDMI, DisplayPort and Target Display Mode into their monitors and iMacs.

https://images.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental...

[−] ambicapter 29d ago

> Why would I be giving you back my iPhone for free

As opposed to what? trashing it? You'd rather throw your iPhone in the trash than just hand it to them when you're in the store already?

[−] some_random 29d ago
Resale or sticking it in a drawer "just in case"
[−] bilbo0s 29d ago
Not throwing it away is a win though.

It's the throwing it away that is the problem.

Not having a phone in the first place is the best for the environment. Failing that, having someone else reuse that phone is best. Only if all else fails is recycling the preferred option.

So of course people are going to concentrate on the problem of people just throwing these things away. And that's for anything. Not just phones.

[−] BobaFloutist 29d ago
Sticking in a drawer "just in case" is throwing it away while it takes up space in your house and can't be recycled.
[−] bogdan 29d ago
Excuse my ignorance, I have always been an Android user, but are iPhones not resalable?
[−] jasonpbecker 29d ago
Of course they are, and the order "reduce, reuse, recycle" are in that order for a reason-- reuse (via resale) is superior to recycling the product itself.
[−] bombcar 29d ago
Since they offer the EDU discount they might as well offer a blanket “it boots get $100 off” deal for returned machines.

Though the cost of responsibly recycle and dispose of an old computer might make the $0 offer actually a decent one.

[−] roryirvine 29d ago
They already do that in the UK https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/trade-in

Google do similar, as do most electronics retailers.

Is that not not a thing in the US? Perhaps it ought to be.

[−] bombcar 29d ago
Only in some areas, and only voluntarily (perhaps except for CA) - Apple will take a computer I believe, but sometimes you get $0 'value' from it.

If they offer even anything, you'll get a lot more pickup - everyone will learn "get a discount at the Apple Store if you bring in an old PC" and reduce the amount of electronic waste.

However, done too well or for too much, and you could greatly reduce the availability of older still-working machines.

[−] jonhohle 29d ago
If they’re recycling it, what does it matter if it boots? The aluminum is worth nothing? I’m sure there’s bits of gold and other things.
[−] bombcar 29d ago
It could be a low bar for "you can't bring in a destroyed remains of a Mac Classic and get the discount" - but actually, allowing that would be a net good for the world, and wouldn't cost more than the (easily gamed) EDU discount anyway.
[−] changoplatanero 29d ago
You know the reason why you get five cents back for a recycling a glass bottle, right? It’s because the government taxed you when you bought the drink and now you’re getting the tax rebate for recycling It’s not related to the value of the materials.
[−] tasoeur 28d ago
I actually didn’t know! Thanks for pointing that out.
[−] Someone 29d ago
It’s not like recycling through other means is hard, is it?

I expect most of that 30% recycled material is from other sources than traded in devices.

[−] orwin 29d ago
I know this is mostly marketing, but I appreciate the discourse and effort they seems to put into this. Companies are a poor choice for governance/directions to avoid a tragedy of the common anyway, the answers should come from a governmental body, so any unforced effort put on recycling by companies are good.
[−] jamesnights 28d ago
this

I absolutely want to see them embrace repairability and such, but kudos to them for the work they're doing and the progress they've made. They make it look good, that's good. I'd hate to see them stop. It's not like they're a non-profit.

If anything, I want more companies to do what they're doing (and better, duh), but most companies won't because they have no incentive (Apple can do it because $$$). If I want to hold them to a higher standard, I'll vote for someone who will hold everyone to a higher standard by encouraging those kinds of decisions (read "$$$"). I'm fine with my tax dollars going toward indirectly helping me, including my Apple tax dollars.

[−] Schiendelman 28d ago
Based on what we've seen in the last couple of years, they're doing very well on repairability!
[−] GuB-42 29d ago
Recycling is mostly greenwashing. I mean, it is good, but the order is Reduce, Reuse, Repair, Recycle. Recycling is the last option, when everything else has failed and the thing is heading for the landfill (or worse).

Every device they take for "recycling" is a failure of the first 3 "R"s, especially if it is still working or it is just a dead battery, but is good for their business, so no wonder they insist on recycling.

I really like their work on packaging though. Not just because it reduces the plastic waste produced by Apple, it is not much in the grand scheme of things, but it also sets an example. Apple has always been a trendsetter when it comes to design, and their packaging is given a lot of attention.

[−] zero_k 29d ago
If they want "eco progress" they should make their devices repairable.

Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. *In that priority*

Reduce & Reuse by making it repairable!

See: https://www.epa.gov/recycle

[−] bilbo0s 29d ago
Well Reduce is really more "Why do you need this (device/pair of shoes/car/shirt/whatever) in the first place?"

But the Reuse part is definitely served, at least in part, through repair.

[−] benoau 28d ago
The equivalent reduction would be device consolidation, with the folding iPhone having the greatest capacity since it could replace an iPad and with cheap peripherals be at least as good a computer as a MacBook Neo. Of course, being Apple, it's reportedly only able to run iPhone apps heh.
[−] mrcwinn 29d ago
Ah, good morning HN. Eager to read all the negativity about something that's on its face positive. XD

Good job Apple. Now more to do.

[−] draw_down 29d ago
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[−] zelphirkalt 29d ago
I don't have the numbers of other manufacturers, but 30% doesn't sound like outrageously much to me. That still is an overwhelming majority of non-recycled materials. An improvement is good, but 30% is nothing worth writing home about.
[−] robertjpayne 29d ago
The shipped nearly 250 million phones last year plus millions of other products. Having 30% recycled materials across a production line of that scale is massively impressive if you ask me.
[−] zelphirkalt 28d ago
Why is the number of phones of relevance? If anything, wouldn't a higher number of shipped phones just mean, that recycling becomes more worth it? Other than that, I don't see how that number plays a role. It is what is inside each of those phones, that matters, I think.
[−] dangus 29d ago
Framework is the industry benchmark. To me, anyone doing anything less than full modularity doesn’t actually care about e-waste.

Framework has proven that it is possible to make a great machine that is modular as well as forward and backward compatible, and they’ve done it with a comparatively tiny group of employees.

Same deal with Fairphone. Apple can brag about sustainability the day they ship a phone, wireless earbuds, or smartwatch with a battery that the user can replace with a basic screwdriver or less.

If tiny companies like Fairphone and Framework can manage to put out products like this, imagine what a company with the kind of resources Apple has could do with the same concept.

[−] shuntress 29d ago
Phone screens dont need to be user-swappable but apple should be forced to sell each module (screen, frame, camera board, main board, etc).
[−] Schiendelman 28d ago
Please be careful not to argue to "force" a company to do something they already do...

https://support.apple.com/self-service-repair

[−] shuntress 23d ago
First of all, they only do that because they are already forced.

Second of all, have you actually looked at the process? It is very obviously onerous in ways that could be avoided.

[−] dangus 28d ago
Awesome that you can finally buy some parts (Apple was years late in this compared to competitors).

Have you seen how insane the rental tool kit is?

https://selfservicerepair.com/en-US/tool-kit-rental

Here’s a video showing how the battery replacement process works:

https://youtu.be/3P1kEy--d9E

Heres the part list for the iPhone 17 Pro tool kit:

Case 1

661-17619 - Heated Display Removal Fixture

661-52832 - Heated Display Pocket

Case 2

923-02657 - Battery Press

661-08916 - Display Press

923-01092 - Adhesive Cutter

922-5065 - Nylon Probe (Black Stick)

923-0248 - Black Torque Driver Kit

923-00738 - Gray Torque Driver

923-00105 - Green Torque Driver

923-0448 - Blue Torque Driver

923-01290 - Micro Stix® Bit

923-02066 - Super screw Bit

923-02995 - Adjustable torque driver (10-34 Ncm)

923-09176 - Adhesive Removal Tool

923-09177 - JCIS Bit for Adjustable Torque Driver

923-09962 - Superscrew Bit for Adjustable Torque Driver

923-08085 - Teal Torque Driver

923-08131 - Orange Torque Driver

923-07594 - Torx Plus 4IP 25mm bit

923-09721 - Housing Protective Cover

923-10961 - Display Protective Cover

923-12855 - Repair Tray

923-13313 - Back Protective Cover Magnetizer

ESD-safe tweezers

Case 3

923-13470 - Logic Board Dock

923-12856 - Logic Board Dock Insert (mmWave)

923-13465 - Logic Board Dock Insert (non-mmWave)

This is not “self service,” this is service that requires professional level tools and skills masquerading as self-service to satisfy regulators.

I think that Apple wants it to be this complicated so they can tell regulators “See? We complied but it’s totally insane, we told you users can’t possibly repair their own equipment!”

Apple also has a long history of making repair difficult for third party repair companies.

Meanwhile, the battery replacement process for the Fairphone only requires one tool:

https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/245900296211...

[−] dangus 29d ago
Just the battery would be a great start.

For a laptop, nearly everything should be modular.

[−] niek_pas 29d ago
Does anyone know of a trustworthy third party that scrutinizes Apple's claims? I'm accusing Apple of lying, but I'd like to get more context than "100 percent recycled cobalt". That sounds great, but what about all the other metals? What does 'recycled' mean here, exactly? And so on.
[−] saagarjha 29d ago
Not sure if it's trustworthy, but they ran into trouble advertising this in Europe: https://9to5mac.com/2023/10/24/carbon-neutral-apple-watch-cl...
[−] latexr 29d ago
Check their annual report.

https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Pr...

To see previous ones, simply change the year in the URL.

You can get to that from apple.com/environment or apple.com/2030 (which redirects to the former). Near the end, right before and in the appendix you can find third-party independent reviews and assessments.

Now, are those trustworthy? I don’t know. But it gives you the context to start looking. The broader document will also probably help answer the other specific questions.

[−] evilduck 29d ago
They include their auditor's reports in their document, around page 100: https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Pr...

Do you also distrust those?

[−] latexr 29d ago

> Do you also distrust those?

I suspect the OP made a mistake and forgot the word “not” in “I'm accusing Apple of lying, but I'd like to get more context than” (otherwise the “but” makes little sense).

I expect they are asking in good faith if there are audits, not accusing the auditors of being corrupt.

[−] bombcar 29d ago
It really comes down to whether we trust Apple to do the work; auditors can be found that will certify anything you need even if not at the fraud levels of Arthur Anderson.

And this kind of thing can be hard to independently verify.

Given Apple’s track record I suspect they actually do care about this internally and spend the effort to make sure it is “real”.

[−] evilduck 28d ago
I don't expect absolute perfection from Apple but I think they are putting in good faith effort towards these improvements and are just proud of their accomplishments.

If it was strictly a feel-good PR effort then that would have the complete opposite effect if their environmental claims were found to be fabricated, and it would just take one whistleblower anywhere in their own staff, their auditing teams, or anywhere in their global supply chain to bring down that whole facade.

[−] bombcar 28d ago
I agree, it seems to be something Tim Apple personally cares about and he'd not likely to want the smoke blown.

Apple has independently clamped down on suppliers without being forced to, iirc.

[−] vrganj 29d ago
This sounds like classic greenwashing PR.
[−] markstos 29d ago
From the company that popularized completely unrepairable earbuds with non-replaceable batteries.
[−] robertjpayne 29d ago
What other company has ever sold wireless earbuds with a replaceable battery?
[−] markstos 29d ago
[−] gautier_ 29d ago
Fairphone has the Fairbuds
[−] markstos 29d ago
Also, at a moment when "AI" appears in practically all tech marketing, in this environmental impact report they manage to not mention at all the impact of their ChatGPT integration or their plans for an upgraded Siri.
[−] neya 29d ago
Can we stop posting Apple's PR pieces here? Everyone knows they score the lowest on repairability so this really means shit.
[−] alexandrehtrb 29d ago
How about stop making planned obsolence products? How about not charging outrageous prices when their computers need repair?