How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll (investigate-europe.eu)

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[−] jimnotgym 28d ago
I have complete confidence the EU will realise this may violate transparency laws, it will go to court in 7-8 years, publish a response in the next 5 finally getting this law fixed in about 2040. They always get these things right, in the end
[−] pas 28d ago
The obvious compromise seems to be to limit the duration of confidentiality to something reasonable. Let's say 1-2 years.

Furthermore the initial draft talked about aggregate data anyway. The EU really shouldn't care about individual DCs anyway.

As long as they keep the water clean (and pay for the relevant environmental load quotas) and have the permits who the fuck cares? It's idiotic anti-AI hysteria.

The quote about "ramping up their lobbying efforts" is also absurd, it's just a few lines after the paragraph that describes that the commission asked for feedback from the industry as part of some standard consultative process.

The most crazy part seems to be the commission's "we have always been at war with Eastasia" behavior regarding the confidentiality.

[−] an0malous 28d ago
Hey at least all your devices use USB-C and there’s alternative app stores no one really uses
[−] menno-sh 28d ago
Add being able to use your data plan throughout the EU without roaming costs and we're back at two for three.
[−] asyx 27d ago
GDPR made rating agencies a lot more transparent than they used to be. There was a lot of guessing about why your Schufa score might be bad in Germany. I can now get a detailed breakdown of the data they have of me for free.
[−] ahf8Aithaex7Nai 27d ago

> alternative app stores no one really uses

It’s not "no one", but rather "almost no one". The difference is small, but still big enough to make room for me and a surprisingly large number of my friends and acquaintances—including our raised middle fingers.

We don't have to be in the majority; the main thing is that there's a niche for us. If the whole world is smoking crack, that's not ideal. But at least we don't have to go along with it.

[−] postepowanieadm 28d ago
EU has a really big problem with lobbing/corruption. Qatargate, russian connections, von der Leyen–Pfizer affair.
[−] Frieren 28d ago
Oil countries (that includes the USA) buying political will in Europe is nothing new. The EU was already fighting against its own internal corruption and inequality, the state of the world is not helping at all.

As inequality grows in any part of the globe that money will be used to corrupt the rest of the world. The EU is not immune to it.

So, we all need to fight against wealth accumulation, inequality and corruption.

[−] tjwebbnorfolk 28d ago
It kind of sounds like you're blaming other countries for corruption in the EU?
[−] galangalalgol 28d ago
I read it as the EU was having a hard enough time with corruption before external pressure got involved.
[−] snarf21 28d ago
It isn't just the EU. Anytime $1M in lobbying will buy you $1B in contracts or regulatory capture, it will always be a no brainer. We need better transparency about the money trail and full disclosure before things go to vote so the public can weigh in.
[−] worik 27d ago
States, generally, have to combat corruption.

This is an example. The corrupting influence of "Big money" up against transparency

Transparency helps, especially in Europe where civil society runs deep.

My mind is blown by the USAnian president blatantly grafting, out in the open, and it is not a political liability. Many political analysts think that is what cost Orbán the Hungarian election

[−] blitzar 28d ago
I forget, am i meant to be shaking with rage that the EU have regulations OR that the regulations include disclosure carveouts?
[−] TeMPOraL 28d ago
You're supposed to go blind with rage after "the EU".
[−] tjwebbnorfolk 28d ago
I mean if you're gonna regulate, then regulate. But what's the point of making everyone do extra paperwork if there's no actual environmental effect of doing the paperwork because the big guys have loopholes
[−] jampekka 28d ago
It's that EU has illusion of regulation that is nerfed with either loopholes or lack of enforcement.
[−] Artoooooor 28d ago
Of course, transparency for thee but not for me.
[−] p4bl0 28d ago
For what it's worth, an alternative data source [1] is being created by the DCWatch project [2].

[1] https://datacenters.hubblo.org/

[2] https://dcwatch.hubblo.org/

[−] nDRDY 28d ago
I wonder if this is less about the environmental impact (which can be greenwashed as necessary), and more about the power consumption of individual data centres.
[−] johndunne 28d ago
I find this facet of Capitalism the most concerning; fiduciary responsibility to the shareholder. It breaks the link between people and matters that concern society (like the environment, in the case of this article). In the drive to increase profit, individual legislators can be convinced to tweak a law or two for 'greater economic growth' somewhere. Over the decades, the effect is a shift in political power away from the people and into industry and ultimately into the hands of a few. I've come to think that this is what we're witnessing in the US. While we're not looking, the landscape is changing behind the scenes. Bram Vranken's quote from the article is poignant: 'Who does the Commission really represent: Big Tech or the public interest?' I often wonder what can be done by us (i.e. all people) to push back and it mostly requires a lot of effort from everyone; participation in Democracy.
[−] jeffbee 28d ago
Can anyone name any other industry that is as open and transparent about power and water usage as the IT industry? How much energy does your local oil refinery, metal smelter, borax plant use?

Large data center operators are already far more transparent with their annual reports than any other industry.

[−] _ache_ 28d ago
A french article on the same subject, but paywalled.

https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2026/04/17/comm...

[−] rceDia 28d ago
Data centers are uber resource hogs: land, water, power. They compete for the same resources as other industries but also against the local citizenry. Who benefits from mass consumption of the resources and at what cost. Age old debate.