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PM Carney declares U.S. ties now a 'weakness' in address to Canadians (ctvnews.ca)

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[−] dreamlayers 25d ago
The biggest problem is that Canada shares a long land border with the US but is isolated by oceans from other countries. Having alternatives is good, but conflict with the US is dangerous. The US could do a huge amount of damage just by blocking trade with Canada. They're also capable of blocking trade between Canada and other countries, and occupying Canada. It is probably unwise to escalate conflict when the other side can escalate a lot more.
[−] drunkan 25d ago
so Canada should just succumb to almighty bullies? i think not.
[−] red-iron-pine 24d ago
without nukes Canada does not have any real leverage here.

they either lean on NATO or Commonwealth allies, or build them internally.

there is no other way to resist US military power

economically Canada does not have enough good ports and transportation options to get the same volume of good to China or EU as it does into the US.

[−] conorcleary 24d ago
Nuclear weaponry is offensive in nature, and Canada does not need them. The population broadly does not want them. Most people may acknowledge (after slight thought) that if we were to obtain/produce them, certainly other countries won't be happy and if we were to 'use' them, well I'm sure the fallout will end up on our own soil after it's swatted out of the sky. So, let's build AA defence/defense networks of our own, instead.
[−] red-iron-pine 22d ago
MAD and deterrance suggest that they are not fundamentally offensive, and Canada does need them
[−] nirav72 24d ago

>Nuclear weaponry is offensive in nature

It's also a deterrence.

[−] conorcleary 24d ago
So is enough people surrounding a bully with furrowed brows
[−] PeterWhittaker 24d ago

> there is no other way to resist US military power

I'm struggling with how to articulate the idea that seems to be in so many Canadian heads, regardless of their military experience.

Assume the worst case, that the US invades Canada and that no allies come to assist, for whatever reason.

The best the US can hope for is a pyrrhic victory: while it may well be true that the Canadian military and population cannot hope to resist the US military, anyone thinking there would be anything other than a pyrrhic victory does not understand how, uh, what words to choose, hmm, bloody mindedly petty and vindictive Canadians can be.

There is that old trope about mistaking "polite" for "nice". Canadians are mostly are the former, and are mostly the latter most of the time, and can even be the former while not at all being the latter. But remember too the trope as to why so many of the specific rules of the Geneva Convention, etm., exist.

Canadians don't pick fights, generally, but see fights to the end, always, and almost always no matter what. And it's not a red mist thing: That comes and clears. What is left is cold. Sober. Focused. Are you still here? Are you not retreating fast enough? Do I still have functional limbs/weapons/comms? Carrying on....

We don't stop until it is safe to stop, and by safe I mean we can stand down and not have to stand to again, or until there is no we left.

Now, more tropes:

Longest sniper kill: Canada has the top spot and at least two more of the top five. Those are all recent.

Only force to meet its D-Day objectives: Canada, with fighting as fierce on Juno as elsewhere.

Only western soldier to fire on a Soviet: A Canadian with the group sent to protect Denmark from Soviets who were rolling fast and hard over northern Germany. The RoE were sort of vague on that point, but they were explicit about not withdrawing, about not giving up an inch. Words didn't work, triggers were pulled, a standoff occurred until sufficient forces arrived to convince the Soviets to withdraw to their agreed lines.

Before becoming PM, Lester B. Pearson won the Noble Peace Prize for the idea of UN Peacekeepers, of putting Canadians in harm's way to separate combatants in hot zones. The idea was taken seriously because memories of Canadian performance in WWII and Korea were fresh in mind. "Oh, those guys? Yeah, OK, ceasefire and separation sounds good."

Again, I am not in anyway suggesting that the US would not win in an invasion of Canada, if Canada stood alone. What I am suggesting is that what would be left (of the US, let alone Canada) would make the victory hollow and bitter.

(You do know that the Canadian boycotts that are so impacting tourism and distillers, among others, are not economically motivated, right? So many US talking heads cite tit-for-tat tariff nonsense, and very few miss the point entirely: Canadians mostly didn't give a damn about tariffs, but when "51st state" was mooted, even if as a joke, Canadians stopped buying US stuff. The tariffs could disappear today and many would still push for closer ties with the EU, possibly even membership, for distancing Canada from the US even more, all because we are fiercely independent, and willing to sacrifice a great deal to retain that independence. Canadians are mostly quiet about it, but never mistake silence for acquiescence or consent.)

[−] cmrdporcupine 24d ago
I mean, for the first 100 yearsish of our existence we actively traded mostly with the "mother country" via shipping through the St Lawrence. Fur trade and then agriculture and forestry goods, etc. Our entire initial infrastructure from rail to canals was built for west -> east movement of goods.

The (over) emphasis on north south came a bit later. And certainly since the signing of the FTA it's been the most important thing.

Shipping to China from ports in Vancouver and to Europe from ports in the gulf of St Lawrence is actually quite strategically advantageous.

It's on us to push to develop this more.

[−] beardyw 25d ago
It takes much longer to regain trust that it takes to lose it.
[−] penguin_booze 25d ago
Things you lose only once but never regain: trust, reputation, and virginity.
[−] xeonmc 25d ago

    glass, China, and reputation, are easily crack’d, and never well mended.

    -- Benjamin Franklin
[−] culi 25d ago
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[−] sph 25d ago
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[−] chrisweekly 25d ago
One of those things is not like the others.
[−] CalRobert 25d ago
Interesting that this comes as millions of Americans discover they have a claim to a Canadian passport thanks to recent rule changes. If they play they hand right (and maybe actually build housing) Canada could benefit from American brain drain.
[−] bsimpson 25d ago
This comment made me learn that I wouldn't have been eligible, but am now. (Grandpa was born in Canada.)
[−] hervature 25d ago
I am a Canadian and I think you are demonstrating an unreal amount of cope thinking that this will have any meaningful impact on migration trends. The NAFTA agreement (and followups) allow the free-flow of professionals between the countries. Any "brain" that wanted to flee could already do so.
[−] CalRobert 25d ago
Perhaps, but as someone who has gone through the "highly skilled migrant" route (not to Canada though) it definitely is _much_ higher friction than just showing up with a passport.
[−] AlexandrB 25d ago
I wouldn't make that move. The future is not looking bright: https://www.bcbc.com/insight/oecd-predicts-canada-will-be-th...
[−] fatbird 24d ago
Your link is 5 years old. This one is 3 days old: "IMF sees Canada's fiscal position as strongest in G7" [0]

[0] https://financialpost.com/news/economy/imf-sees-canadas-fina...

[−] CalRobert 25d ago
Well I suppose it depends on how much value you place upon living in a functioning democracy.
[−] matheusmoreira 25d ago
To be an enemy of America is dangerous. To be an ally, fatal.
[−] timbit42 24d ago

> "Nixon should be told," Kissinger said, "that it is probably an objective of Clifford to depose Thieu before Nixon is inaugurated. Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - William F. Buckley Jr. claimed this was said in November of 1968, after Nixon was elected but before he was inaugurated.

[−] matheusmoreira 24d ago
The word has already gone out, multiple times over. How many of its allies has America burned since then? The French were ahead of their time.
[−] OutOfHere 25d ago
It won't be long now before the US imposes sanctions on Ottawa and funds separatist movements across Canada.
[−] c420 25d ago
Canada separatists accused of ‘treason’ after secret talks with US state department https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/29/david-eby-albe...
[−] cmrdporcupine 25d ago
The US is already funding separatist movements here.
[−] JohnTHaller 25d ago
It would be unsurprising if US-based conservative think tanks were already doing this. Worth noting that the ones we'd be unsurprised to see do this are neither conservative nor think tanks.
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[−] red-iron-pine 24d ago
already funding those movements, mate.

the Russians are also pushing, esp. for the "get Canada out of NATO" folks we've seen in Edmonton and Calgary

[−] RickJWagner 25d ago
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[−] kken 25d ago
Asking just to be sure: does “conservative voter” imply that you endorse the trump administration?

A bit surprised to see this on hn at this time.

[−] RickJWagner 25d ago
I did vote for Trump. I like some, but not all, of his policies.

It should not be surprising. Trump won the popular vote and all seven swing states. Even hardcore supporters tire of some of his antics. Supporters have accomplishments they can be happy with.

[−] cherry_tree 25d ago
10th lowest winning margin in all of US history. Far from the picture you are trying to paint that most Americans are pro-trump. Most Americans either didn’t vote or voted against trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presiden...

[−] eli_gottlieb 25d ago
Fell For It Again Award
[−] rjrjrjrj 25d ago

> I like some, but not all, of his policies.

His only discernible policy is to lie. About everything, all the time.

[−] cmrdporcupine 24d ago
Honestly, there is a class of voters for which it just ultimately comes down to one issue and one issue only and that is abortion.

Trumps fortunes in 2016 were looking pretty bad until the final debate with Clinton where he cornered her into making principled (and completely correct) pro-choice statements (and lied implying she'd support 8th month abortions and because of the way he twisted things she got on the defensive.)

That was the end for her. An entire class of "conservative" voters who were uncomfortable with Trump and willing to park their vote with the Democrats temporarily just plugged their nose and voted Trump.

And they were paid off for it, too. Anti-abortion supreme court justices put in place and new anti-abortion laws put in place all over. Despite Trump himself having been formerly "pro-choice."

If you believe that abortion is literally murder, you probably can't vote any other way.

And since then other "culture wars" issues have been thrown into the mix around trans issues and "woke" etc.

[−] cherry_tree 25d ago

>voting American here

>have never heard of anything even remotely similar

And therein lies the problem. What the parent said is something the USA has practiced in dozens of countries. For just a single example, operation cyclone had the USA arming separatist militias to fight against the Soviet afghan government. You may be familiar with one of these militia members:

>the most well-known Arab financier and militant of the group during this period was Osama bin Laden, who would later found al-Qaeda and mastermind the September 11 attacks on the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

[−] OutOfHere 25d ago
I don't know why the above accurate comment is downvoted.
[−] Fnoord 25d ago
Historically it is correct, and the movie Rambo III even references to it (such movies are made with approval of US military).

Stuff like this happens all the time though. You give resources to the enemy of an enemy (temp. friend) and they may end up as your enemy with the demise of your common enemy. Ideal allies you have a lot in common with (shared values) which was true regarding Europe and USA last century.

[−] mmooss 25d ago

> I’d say the most prevalent attitude I see towards Canada is to wish you well.

Trump has said otherwise many times and in many ways, and is elected and widely supported. That conveys a lot, regardless of your anecdotal experience.

[−] OutOfHere 25d ago
Just what are you "conservative" about that Trump is too? He is about: more CO2 emissions, more cheap immigrant labor, more wasteful defense spending, senseless support of Israel, more pardons of criminals, destruction of environmental protections, unprofessional murderous gangsters with guns (ICE), and less healthcare. That's what you voted for.
[−] Fnoord 25d ago
And lies and deception, all the time. I don't understand how a devout Christian can support such, except if I regard religion as tool and these people not religious at all. The hypocrisy level is too damn high.

Besides, he doesn't treat women with respect either, and he seems to like to visit prostitutes.

That, and a whole lot more. We are scratching surfaces here.

[−] morkalork 25d ago
Do you just pretend the US's history of undermining states in central and south America doesn't exist?
[−] RickJWagner 25d ago
No, I said I have never heard an American say they believed we should bring harm to Canada.

The consensus seems to be that they are a good neighbor, but different from the US in some aspects. Some, but not all, envy things like healthcare.

[−] cherry_tree 25d ago
Trump called the Canadian prime minister a governor while threatening 100% tariffs and threatening to annex Greenland. The US government also did literally reach out to Albertan separatists.

The actions of the government you support and the supposed “consensus” you cite are opposed.

[−] cmrdporcupine 25d ago
Then you're not paying attention, prominent members of the GOP have openly denied the legitimacy of Canadian sovereignty, including senior officials in the Trump administration as well as obviously Trump himself.

They have also openly wished harm on our industrial base and on our workers, talking about aggressively dismantling our steel and auto sectors.

They have also been having meetings with and providing amplification in media and social media to formerly extremely fringe "separatist" groups in Alberta.

All of this began immediately after the assumption of power by Trump in winter 2025.

Not to mention active informal (maybe?) social media activity by self-identified conservatives on forums all over the place spreading disinformation and aggression about Canada.

[−] Sabinus 25d ago
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[−] darepublic 25d ago
As a Canadian I feel like this country has some problems that contribute to the brain drain south. And I feel like Trump is definitely not our friend but the situation could have been helpful to stir us up to self reflection. But I fear that instead we will just try to recreate the former status quo by whatever means and call that a victory. But what it means is the inevitable decline of this country.
[−] Kareem71 25d ago
As a Canadian I am afraid that the more bad behavior the USA exhibits on the world stage, the easier it becomes to scapegoat and not look within at our own problems.

It was maybe 15ish years ago when Blackberry was at its peak. A world with such a dominant tech company in Canada today seems comically impossible

[−] wk_end 25d ago
This seems like such a strange comment to make on an article about the leader of Canada advocating for exactly the sort of national reflection you’re talking about and explicitly calling for an end to that status quo you’re worried we’ll try to recreate.
[−] AlexandrB 25d ago
So far the major move has been undermining Canada's auto industry[1] to create closer ties to China. As the saying goes: Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

[1] https://toronto.citynews.ca/2026/01/18/mark-carney-says-chin...

[−] lostmsu 25d ago

> advocating for

Is a lot of words, but little actions.

[−] CalRobert 25d ago
If it helps, it seems like half my family (well educated US-Ian’s) have a cit0001 application in to reverse the brain drain
[−] senectus1 25d ago
this conversation has to be happening all over the world right now.
[−] calmbonsai 25d ago
Good. Many Canadians view Carney as a "war-time" PM and I think that's accurate.

The Trump administration has treated Canada and Canadians appallingly. It will take many years and another President, but I hope the U.S. can repair relations. The onus is on us.

Canada honored its commitments. The U.S. started this stupid trade war.

[−] CoastalCoder 25d ago
I fear it's going to take more than just one other president.

Now we've all see what one bad POTUS can do to the world, and I don't know if/how/why the world would trulyove past that.

It reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode "The Shelter" [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shelter_(The_Twilight_Zone...

[−] swat535 25d ago
It's not just Canada, who is going to trust US anymore?

Certainly no Europe after tarrifs, NATO, Ukraine, and this war..

Certainly not GCC after this war

Certainly not Asia after this war

Certainly not Japan after the awful "nuke" jokes and abuses .. like really? Who is on US aside?

Dems can try all they want, but the US trust is gone imo.

[−] adjejmxbdjdn 25d ago
The U.S. has 75+ years of an incredible consumer economy, ties with nations, and deep entrenchment in civilian supply chains and military logistics, so countries can’t just break away.

What will change, however, is no country will build anything new that is entirely dependent on a U.S. entity, and every country will now try to find alternatives to existing dependencies.

It will be a slow, multi-decade process, but it’s probably irreversible at this point.

The problem, from a U.S. perspective, is that 2 decades from now, these decisions might have cost the U.S. economy trillions of dollars, but it will largely be impossible to tell because the nature of losses will be in billions of dollars of economic activity that could have been created but were never even conceived, so the alternate path will be impossible to know.

[−] notatoad 25d ago
a 75 year history isn't anything to brag about on a global scale, that's a very young country. an unbroken 75 year history as a reliable partner might be something, but if your time as a reliable economic partner only lasts 75 years, that's not very reliable.

the one thing that the US still has is money. countries want to trade with countries that have money, whether they're trustworthy or untrustworthy, moral or immoral. as long as the US continues to be rich, they'll continue to have good trading relationships. we've all just got to hope that this current trend reverses before the us stops being a rich country.

[−] JKCalhoun 25d ago
Agree. The U.S. needs reforms at the Amendment level after this administration. We need it to so the U.S. citizen can trust their government again.
[−] drivingmenuts 25d ago
The Arabs will because we have a President who can be bought. Who's practically begging to be bought.
[−] brazukadev 25d ago
You missed South America. We did not trust the US before but are forced to give the US business preference as per the so called Monroe Doctrine, now with a "Trump Corollary"
[−] throwatdem12311 25d ago
It’s gonna take more than a dem POTUS sucking up to us to fix this. MAGA will outlast Trump and the everlasting threat of another lunatic Republican president doing this crap again means this isn’t going away as easily as replacing a president.
[−] michtzik 25d ago

> Canada honored its commitments.

Two decades ago: "in 2006, NATO Defence Ministers agreed to commit a minimum of 2% of their GDP to defence spending."

Canada has not remotely upheld this agreement.

[−] vjvjvjvjghv 25d ago
You can only hope that Canada (and Europe) will do more than just being mad at the US. From what I hear from Canadians, Canada is in a very bad spot with high cost of living but salaries that aren't enough to afford that. Complaining about the americans isn't going to solve that. Same for Europe. Stop focusing on Trump and start standing on your own feet.
[−] Teever 25d ago
The speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2TZwkhi4E

First off, the difference in diction between PM Mark Carney and other world leaders is startling. Clear, cogent reasoning with rhetoric meant to impart on the listener that the speaker respects them and the presentation of an actual plan instead of just concepts of one is refreshing.

Second. I've been finding it more and more difficult to communicate online with Americans or people who have succumbed to contemporary American-brained thinking. There's something corrosive about being surrounded by slurred, infantile thinking, it seems like even the most intelligent people will eventually succumb to it and regurgitate it back because they see it as the easy road and suffer no immediate consequences for doing so.

It's extremely frustrating to see this come from American oligarchs who bend the knee to a mad king with a sexual penchant for young girls. To satiate their greed people like Sam Altman and Tim Cook align themselves with the worst of American society and unctuously flatter them with gaudy bauble bribes and obsequious speeches. Sure it serves their immediate purposes but what are the long term consequences of this? Do these people realize that every time they sell a piece of their soul to increase their personal wealth it destroys a piece of their society? Do they care?

It seems like America is rudderless now, a living ghost shambling into an uncertain but terminal future. Other countries see that now and there's a strong 'if it bleeds we can kill it' vibe after watching America deplete years of missile stocks against Iran only to watch China begin to resupply Iranian stockpiles to provide the Americans with another opportunity to deplete years more.

Where does America go from here?

[−] lo_fye 25d ago
It wasn’t a surprise to us. It’s how Canadians already feel. Threaten our sovereignty and that’s what happens.
[−] jmyeet 25d ago
For additional context:

- Carney's Davos speech (Jan 2026) evoked "workers of the world unite" [1];

- Carney's pre-election speech (Mar 2025) claimed the old relationship with the US is over [2]; and

- Trump's handling of Canada relations, particularly with the tariff frenzy, basically ended up giving the election to Carney [3].

This administration is busy destroying the relationships and institutions that the US created for America's interests like NATO.

[1]: https://www.weforum.org/stories/2026/01/davos-2026-special-a...

[2]: https://speakola.com/political/mark-carney-response-to-trump...

[3]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypz7yx73wo

[−] throwpoaster 25d ago
Canada and America are neighbours. It is far cheaper for Canada to ship things south into a giant market than to ship east and west into our own, smaller markets. Trading with anyone else in the world entails much larger shipping expenses. This is structural, and applies to something exceeding 90% of our trade.

Carney is wrong, but he's not a fool. I read this as high-level virtue signalling to two audiences: Canadian left-patriots, who love to hate America while (unknowingly) free-riding on the benefits of the relationship. He has a vulnerable majority and is smart enough to plan ahead for the next election. Over half of Boomers support the Liberals, so he is playing to their emotions. He doesn't need to play to their pocket books, because they're mostly as rich as they're going to get, so he can trade economics for votes.

Second: he's signalling to China, and other international trade partners, that we are open for business. Carney has been struggling with pro-China (former) members of his caucus also being pro-slave-labour[0]. This is a message that, as he indicated in his Davos speech[1], he is willing to be flexible on Human Rights if the price is right.

America hasn't changed. When Trump is gone the American export market will remain.

Carney is wrong, but he's not a fool. He's amoral.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFHgR4vAurg

[1]: https://www.weforum.org/stories/2026/01/davos-2026-special-a...

[−] youngtaff 25d ago
And of course it's now flagged…
[−] CoastalCoder 25d ago
My dear friends to the north: I just want to repeat how sorry many of us are for this.
[−] SadErn 25d ago
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[−] aliasxneo 25d ago
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[−] bryanrasmussen 25d ago
Oh, it seems this has been Canadian flagged for some reason. Probably somebody favoring another flag got upset.
[−] incomingpain 25d ago
Trump had 1 term already. Biden did attack Canada multiple times. But we have 200 years of being friends with the USA. They were specific attacks and that doesnt end our relationship.

Chretien: “We have no better friend than the United States.”

Martin: “Our relationship with the United States is our most important.”

Trudeau: “There is no closer friend, partner, and ally than the United States.”

The only thing to change was a new Prime Minister. Who has attacked the USA as fascist; a feeling Liberals in Canada very much agree with. He and his wife talk about a new world order. Why is he pushing anti-USA so hard?

Biden, republicans and the democrats pulled him in front of congress to answer questions about potential antitrust/collusion he was committing. JPmorgan and BOA pulled out alleging collusion. Vanguard and many others exitted shortly afterwards. This collusion system fell apart.

However, when Carney became liberal leader and prime minister. The investigations were paused and Trump endorsed Carney many times. While Carney is also unable to get a deal with the USA.

Carney was colluding in the name of climate change, but as PM he has temporarily gotten rid of the carbon tax, and lowered federal excise. Imagine being pro-climate change and also being the guy who is dismantling his own party's efforts. Or wait was it all fraudulent collusion?

In reality, Carney ran on the platform of getting a deal with Trump but seems to be intentionally sabotaging this process. Which will cost Canada millions of jobs.